I need your help (Europe/Italy vs USA) (lawyers, living)

[dougie86]

Originally Posted by Eduardo983

I am a dual citizen Venezuelan/U.S. American. My fiancee is Venezuelan/Italian (born in Caracas and daughter of two Italians immigrants that moved to Venezuela in the 60s, she has both passports EuroItalian/Venezuelan).

Now... If we get married and move to Italy, I will be able to acquire the EuroItalian citizenship after 6 months.

Our main reason is to live in an environment were family values, culture, and friends would be the priorities in our lives and the people around us. I believe that Europeans, specially Italians seem to be more family oriented compared to U.S. Americans who have $$$ as their most important priority.

If you can get that EuroItalian passport after 6 months without losing your US/Venezuelan citizenship and your stable job. I'd say 'GO FOR IT'.

Since both your parents and your fiancee's reside in Venezuela, they'll miss you both if you stay away too long. Besides it's good to be close to them when you start a family with both of you working.

With global recession affecting us all, it is not easy to find good paying job anywhere. If you're concern about the economy in North America, you can look up the websites of Bloomberg, Marketwatch, Financial Times. IMHO Venezuelan's economy will be doing well in the long term. Save up for your house and a farm, a plantation or acreage. And when you are a wealthy man, you can move to any country in the world.

I read in Forbes recently that many Americans move to Panama, because the costs of living and health care are affordable.

Good luck with whatever you decide, Amigo.
'The grass is always greener on the other side.'

[GhostInTheShell]

Finding a job in southern Italy is extremely difficult if you're not Italian. I'll PM you a link where you can find the answers to all of your questions about living in Italy.

[FrankBS]

Hi OP... I didn't read all the answers to your post, so I'm answering to your original post.

I'm Italian, I was born in Italy and I lived here since I was born.

As someone said to you, jobs situation in south of Italy is not good... it's really hard for Italians to find a job, not talking about foreign people.
In the North of Italy maybe the situation is better (at the moment not exactly... the are plenty of jobless people), but the cost of life is REALLY HIGH, taxes are almost the highest in all the Europe.

About the more family-orientation of Italians, maybe your right, but you have to consider the economic factor!

You said you're a teacher, right? In Italy there's a very complicated system to start working as a teacher... you have to wait for years and the queue is very long... moreover, the Italian teacher salary is the worst in all the Europe.

I'm sorry, but I suggest you to find another place... Italy is good only for vacation or if you are VERY rich...

[respondinglady]

Speaking from total non-experience, just go there. I left home alone at 17 arriving in Europe with only 100 dollars and no back up in the seventies; I even got down to 10 dollars 2 or 3 times in my life - I always managed to find work and something to eat all over the world; I lived in many different places round the world for many years, developed a career, raised two beautiful children and am still alive. You'll find a way to live in Italy by hook or crook if you love it enough - and if you don't you can come back to MTV-landia and start again. I want to move to Italy myself and am willing to work as a nanny instead of an architect. I'd rather be able to walk down an architecturally gorgeous Italian street to buy diapers than design glass boxes in a Manhattan high rise. "That's just me." I was happier when I lived in older cities of the world; even though I made less money, my life was steadier and "lay off fear" was non-existant compared to the throw away society in the US where it is often feast or famine, boom or bust, gentrification or eviction. I wish you both the best!

[Eduardo983]

Originally Posted by FrankBS

Hi OP... I didn't read all the answers to your post, so I'm answering to your original post.

I'm Italian, I was born in Italy and I lived here since I was born.

As someone said to you, jobs situation in south of Italy is not good... it's really hard for Italians to find a job, not talking about foreign people.
In the North of Italy maybe the situation is better (at the moment not exactly... the are plenty of jobless people), but the cost of life is REALLY HIGH, taxes are almost the highest in all the Europe.

About the more family-orientation of Italians, maybe your right, but you have to consider the economic factor!

You said you're a teacher, right? In Italy there's a very complicated system to start working as a teacher... you have to wait for years and the queue is very long... moreover, the Italian teacher salary is the worst in all the Europe.

I'm sorry, but I suggest you to find another place... Italy is good only for vacation or if you are VERY rich...

Many many thanks for the replies... (all of you)

We decided that we are going to relocate to Spain. We would love to live in beautiful Italy but the cost of living is too high and we don´t speak Italian so it would be dificult for us to find a job there. Since we are both bilingual English/Spanish, Spain is the option that looks more realistic.

Well, thanks again for the info that you provided me.

[XodoX]

Euro passport after 6 months? I do not think so and highly doubt it. They don't just give out passports to anybody...epspecially not after only 6 months.

Something else: The wife or husband of a E.U. citizen can only reside in the home country of his spouse. The permit you will get to work and live in that country is NOT valid in any other country.

Only E.U citizens can work/live wherever they want, not you as the spouse.

[bale002]

Originally Posted by Eduardo983

Many many thanks for the replies... (all of you)

We decided that we are going to relocate to Spain. We would love to live in beautiful Italy but the cost of living is too high and we don´t speak Italian so it would be difficult for us to find a job there. Since we are both bilingual English/Spanish, Spain is the option that looks more realistic.

Well, thanks again for the info that you provided me.

Thanks for coming back to us, Eduardo983, I wish you both the best.

I believe that the cost of living in Madrid and Barcelona is right up there with Milan and Rome. What region/city of Spain are you relocating to?

I too have been thinking lately of going back to Italy, but it would an at least a two year plan, maybe more.

Anyway, courageous decision and, again, all the best!

[meet4]

Originally Posted by XodoX

Only E.U citizens can work/live wherever they want

Of course not, there are many limitations.

Regarding southern/central Italy. Its a Mexico of Europe, don't go there, move somewhere else in the USA.

[XodoX]

Originally Posted by meet4

Of course not, there are many limitations.

Regarding southern/central Italy. Its a Mexico of Europe, don't go there, move somewhere else in the USA.

No. There are no limitations. If a country joins the E.U, they must accept those terms that any E.U citizen can work/live in their country. Been there, done that.

You apparently have not been to southern Italy. it is not the "Mexico of Europe". Perhaps you just have not been to Mexico to be able to compare. Either way, it's not true.

[meet4]

Originally Posted by XodoX

No. There are no limitations. If a country joins the E.U, they must accept those terms that any E.U citizen can work/live in their country. Been there, done that.

You apparently have not been to southern Italy. it is not the "Mexico of Europe". Or, you have not been to Mexico...

Yes, there are limitations, a lots of them. I am the EU citizen who worked in many countries(including Mexico heh) so I know it better than you, believe me. Google Schengen as a starter.

Southern Italy is good for tourism maybe. Work or infrastructure-wise it's worse than Mexico actually.