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Old 07-17-2009, 12:22 AM
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North Korea has one foot in the grave. With Hyundai cutting down at Kaesong they are dead broke. Their Army has equipment from the 1970s and few spare parts. The ROKA would finish them off in no time. They will implode like East Germany or Romania
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I do not believe there will be a another war. Korea is much like the old Soviet Republic. They have virtually no economy, everything is used to build armaments. Most of the citizens are in the military since that is the only way they can eat. The video that they play on CNN over and over again is the same video with one missile and one group of people who look so daunting and serious with their perfectly filed marches.

These are the same tactics Mussolini used in WWII, he flew the same two planes around in the air over and over to make it look like he actually had a fleet.

North Korea will ultimately implode exactly like the Soviet Union did during the cold war. (Reagan had virtually nothing to do with its ultimate demise... Obama or whomever is in office after him shouldn't deserve credit for North Korea's fall either). But I am sure the media will somehow link North Korea's collapse to America's "ongoing pressure" yadda yadda.
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I do not believe there will be a another war. Korea is much like the old Soviet Republic. They have virtually no economy, everything is used to build armaments. Most of the citizens are in the military since that is the only way they can eat. The video that they play on CNN over and over again is the same video with one missile and one group of people who look so daunting and serious with their perfectly filed marches.

These are the same tactics Mussolini used in WWII, he flew the same two planes around in the air over and over to make it look like he actually had a fleet.

North Korea will ultimately implode exactly like the Soviet Union did during the cold war. (Reagan had virtually nothing to do with its ultimate demise... Obama or whomever is in office after him shouldn't deserve credit for North Korea's fall either). But I am sure the media will somehow link North Korea's collapse to America's "ongoing pressure" yadda yadda.
If you think North Korea will implode, how do you think it will happen?
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Old 07-18-2009, 04:45 AM
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What about the fact that NK's GDP has slowly accelerated in the past couple of years despite global economic problems?

How would the implosion manifest? Would a Gorbachev-like leader emerge and initiate reforms or would the people open their eyes and revolt? Or, who knows, maybe Kim Jong-un will figure everything out and create a working communist utopia.
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Old 07-22-2009, 02:20 AM
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Being from an ex-soviet country and all, I think the war is inevitable.

As people say, its not a question of if, its a question of when.

And for the folks who think its gonna be easy for South Korea to deal with northerners, never underestimate the power of a communist country's army. I mean these economies are built around the premise of army's first priority. Additionally they're building ballistic rockets and have a nuclear program.

And I dont think we gonna have a Korean Gorbachov, because they learnt their lesson.

NK's economy is going to stagnate, unless they start a war. Their economy needs a war to thrive. And I dont see a better potential opponent than South Korea. Right now they are kinda in a situation Soviet Union was in during late 60s early 70s. Except they dont have huge amounts of natural resources.
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Being from an ex-soviet country and all, I think the war is inevitable.

As people say, its not a question of if, its a question of when.

And for the folks who think its gonna be easy for South Korea to deal with northerners, never underestimate the power of a communist country's army. I mean these economies are built around the premise of army's first priority. Additionally they're building ballistic rockets and have a nuclear program.

And I dont think we gonna have a Korean Gorbachov, because they learnt their lesson.

NK's economy is going to stagnate, unless they start a war. Their economy needs a war to thrive. And I dont see a better potential opponent than South Korea. Right now they are kinda in a situation Soviet Union was in during late 60s early 70s. Except they dont have huge amounts of natural resources.
That is not even half of it. There is such a bad strranglehold on the people. No access to internet, TV, or other sources of communication to the outside world. In addition, there is a famine going on in North Korea. People aren't allowed to grown their own supply of rice and the government isn't providing rations. Some people even strip the bark off of trees and boil it in order to eat. People are being put in concentration camps for ridiculous reasons. Yes, there are concentration camps. The way I look at it, North Korea is rife for a rebellion, kind of like the one that happened in Romania. A nation under a dictatorship to the point of freezing to death and starving to death and the government just balks at that. The way I see it, in theory, if there is any war at all, it won't be between North and South Korea, but a civl war. The army vs. the people, just like in Romania. At this point, there is nothing left for anyone to lose. If the people rebel, they die. If they don't, they'll still die, albeit slower and more painfully. A starving, freezing nation, and its refugees being turned away by China for the most part, being deemed as "illegal economic refugess". If a person stay's in North Korea, there is death by starving, freezing, or the military. If you try to escape, you will get shot summarily if caught. If you make it to China, you have to hide. Otherwise, if Chinise government officials find you, you get deported and sent back to North Korea to face your fate, which can usually be death. One cannot escaped through the ironically named "Demilitarized Zone". If the soldiers don't get you, the land mines will. If any war were to happen, it would be in North Korea alone, and the people would be fighting the army. That is if it happened.
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I was living in South Korea for about 7-8 years...(I'm white American - not Korean person).

Anyways, I feel it is INEVITABLE.

It is not possible that the North Korean government will just 'quit' to exist, and hand over all control to South Korea. It is also NOT possible for the South Korean government to just 'quit' to exist and give all control to North Korea either.

At some point...and it seems as if basically everyone is just waiting for North Korea to 'do something', to legitimize going in and 'taking them out'.

At this time, no one can...if the U.S. initiated something like that, probably Seoul would be wiped off the map...I mean, it could happen anyways, but you can't initiate anything with North Korea to expediate that.

But, I think it is inevitable, that the ONLY way this stalemate will ever end, is through some aggressive act that starts it.

Also having lived in South Korea for years, it also felt like there were CONSTANT threats all the time...so much to the point that it is all meaningless and means nothing. People don't even think about it over there. It's kind of like reading about Russia attacking the U.S. during the 'Cold War' years...you always knew it COULD happen, but no one really thought about it.

The difference though is that Russia continues to exist...whereas if North Korea 'gave up', it would cease to exist...
No, it doesn't have to be some aggressive act! North and South korea are always in talks together to create at least some peace and truce.

i predict north korea will crumble on it's own and open up and change thier government slowly and join the world. i think this will occur gradually. north korea knows it would basically be fruitless to try and go an aggressive route anyways.
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That is not even half of it. There is such a bad strranglehold on the people. No access to internet, TV, or other sources of communication to the outside world. In addition, there is a famine going on in North Korea. People aren't allowed to grown their own supply of rice and the government isn't providing rations. Some people even strip the bark off of trees and boil it in order to eat. People are being put in concentration camps for ridiculous reasons. Yes, there are concentration camps. The way I look at it, North Korea is rife for a rebellion, kind of like the one that happened in Romania. A nation under a dictatorship to the point of freezing to death and starving to death and the government just balks at that. The way I see it, in theory, if there is any war at all, it won't be between North and South Korea, but a civl war. The army vs. the people, just like in Romania. At this point, there is nothing left for anyone to lose. If the people rebel, they die. If they don't, they'll still die, albeit slower and more painfully. A starving, freezing nation, and its refugees being turned away by China for the most part, being deemed as "illegal economic refugess". If a person stay's in North Korea, there is death by starving, freezing, or the military. If you try to escape, you will get shot summarily if caught. If you make it to China, you have to hide. Otherwise, if Chinise government officials find you, you get deported and sent back to North Korea to face your fate, which can usually be death. One cannot escaped through the ironically named "Demilitarized Zone". If the soldiers don't get you, the land mines will. If any war were to happen, it would be in North Korea alone, and the people would be fighting the army. That is if it happened.
it's always been that way, genius.
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Old 10-29-2009, 10:56 AM
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Being from an ex-soviet country and all, I think the war is inevitable.

As people say, its not a question of if, its a question of when.

And for the folks who think its gonna be easy for South Korea to deal with northerners, never underestimate the power of a communist country's army. I mean these economies are built around the premise of army's first priority. Additionally they're building ballistic rockets and have a nuclear program.

And I dont think we gonna have a Korean Gorbachov, because they learnt their lesson.

NK's economy is going to stagnate, unless they start a war. Their economy needs a war to thrive. And I dont see a better potential opponent than South Korea. Right now they are kinda in a situation Soviet Union was in during late 60s early 70s. Except they dont have huge amounts of natural resources.

How about i tell you that i think that a war between north and south korea is not inevitable. let's see who will be right with this prediction from years to come those who think that a war between them is inevitable such as of your thinking camp vs me.

and if a war does break out i doubt that it will be instigated by either or. it would be something else going on in the world to even cause it.
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