Race In Latin America

[jja100]

Originally Posted by Motion

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Well for leaders of other Latin American countries. I'd suggest they be open to learning somethings from Brazil's Lula and Bachelet of Chile.




I support market reforms that are done a certain way. When it comes to expanding privatization for example I view Estonia and Poland of eastern Europe as being two countries that found approaches to privatization that didn't bring the corruption problems found in other post Soviet countries and Latin American countries during the 90's neoliberal reforms.

Privatisation in Estonia

http://knowledge.emory.edu/article.cfm?articleid=535

While I concur that privatisation is a good concept...replicating good economic systems over different countries with different demographics and size populations may not be a good idea. This is the very reason why having many independent sovereign countries within the world is so vital and is why systems like the European Union creates more harm than good. Unionisation is very dangerous because it attempts to create an equilibrium that can never exist and it always becomes more political than economical.

Unfortunately for these countries in Latin America, slavery's long term ramifications did more harm than good. The same thing can be said with illegal immigration... while the short term labour advantages are unbeatable, the long term cost for education, healthcare, and jobs destroys the short term gains very quickly.

[Neutre]

Originally Posted by jja100

Europe and South America are still very much class based societies

Even it it were true, in Europe, or at least here in Germany, people are not discriminated against based on skin color.
Based on attitudes or class perhaps, but not on skin color.
Whereas Latin America is a very color conscious country. You can be rich and relatively well mannered but treated differently (in a negative way) just because you look black or indio, depending on which country. In Mexico, for example, there's more discrimination against indio looking people than against black looking individuals.
I think there's a thread talking about this. I'll try to find it.

[jja100]

Originally Posted by Neutre

Even it it were true, in Europe, or at least here in Germany, people are not discriminated against based on skin color.
Based on attitudes or class perhaps, but not on skin color.
Whereas Latin America is a very color conscious country. You can be rich and relatively well mannered but treated differently (in a negative way) just because you look black or indio, depending on which country. In Mexico, for example, there's more discrimination against indio looking people than against black looking individuals.
I think there's a thread talking about this. I'll try to find it.

This is why all the North African illegal immigrants are being exploited for their labour, performing duties that the rest of the EU citizens don't want to do within Europe. The "non-discriminatory" EU (which includes Germany's participation) drafted many laws to create a financial barrier around the whole of Europe. This financial prison prevents anyone who is non-European from acquiring an occupation. These laws/rules in conjunction with "jus sanguinis" make it almost impossible for a person of colour to become an EU citizen. I wonder how greatly this affects people of colour from ever assimilating. How ingenious and how racist is that?

In short, Europe does the same thing that these undeveloped Latin American countries do except that they covertly embed it within law in lieu of overt social humiliation.

[Neutre]

Originally Posted by jja100

This is why all the North African illegal immigrants are being exploited for their labour, performing duties that the rest of the EU citizens don't want to do within Europe. The "non-discriminatory" EU (which includes Germany's participation) drafted many laws to create a financial barrier around the whole of Europe. This financial prison prevents anyone who is non-European from acquiring an occupation. These laws/rules in conjunction with "jus sanguinis" make it almost impossible for a person of colour to become an EU citizen. I wonder how greatly this affects people of colour from ever assimilating. How ingenious and how racist is that?

In short, Europe does the same thing that these undeveloped Latin American countries do except that they covertly embed it within law in lieu of overt social humiliation.

I can't speak for the whole Europe, but in Germany it's not that hard to get a citizenship or a green card. The media always pick those who are picturing it as if Germany were putting stones to hinder people. Yet I live here in Germany and I'm an Ausländer myself, and I know a good number of people who got a German Pass. There were procedures they had to go through, but all in all they weren't more difficult than the obstacles native Germans have to go through in the infamous German bureaucracy.
I also heard that in Spain it's not difficult to gain citizenship.
Unfortunately I know too little about other European countries.

Anyway, let's stay on race in Latin America, OK.
Sorry for steering off topic.

[jja100]

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