Best Leader in the world ever (shop, bill, corporate)

[ontheroad]

Not to be disrespectful, but actually no historical evidence does exist for Jesus Christ--the man, or the messiah that I have discovered.

If you know of one or any, please share these with me as I am an avid reader of history.

Many thanks.

[clawson26]

Read a book called "The Historical Jesus" by Gary Habermas. He has probably the best collection of information based on works from secular historians.

The writings of Josephus, Tacitus and Seutonius
R.T. France, The Evidence for Jesus
Robert Van Voorst, Jesus Outside the New Testament
Shirley Case's The Historicity of Jesus


These works will get you started. They don't argue for Jesus as the Son of God or the Christian sunday school version...They simply provide historical references and evidence that a man named Jesus existed and some of the other basic facts.

[ontheroad]

Thanks for this reference. However, Mr. Habermas is described as an apologist--and that is not what I am presently interested in reading.

[clawson26]

Skip that reference and check out the others if you like... but the reason he is described as an "apologist" is because most Christians don't feel they ought to have to defend their beliefs and many don't like it when somone tries. However, this is off-topic so I will end with my nomination of George W. Bush. Like him or not he sure does seem to be able to get people to follow him (some NOT all but some just follow like lemmings) and even elect him a second time when no one thought it was possible. Like him or hate him he has a following.

[Delaneyland]

1) Winston Churchill
2) Mother Theresa (Yes, she was a REAL person..)

[Mexi-in-Arlington-Heights]

Cyrus is the best leader ever! His way of ruling is the way things should be in the world today.

[SpeedyAZ]

Some that come to mind:

Ronald Reagan
Pope John Paul II
FDR
Rudy Guiliani
Al Capone
Martin Luther King Jr.
Jesus Christ
Winston Churchill
Fidel Castro

[mengal]

for me the best leader not in world, bcoz in world many prophets have gone and i think those were the best leaders who showed the right path to human kind. presently the best leader from where i belong is sardar attullah mengal, he is a nationalist fighting for their people, goverment secreait agencies have already killed on of his son and other one is in jail. he him was in jail for 9 years where he was slow poisioned due to which he had four heart operations till now. pakistan govt put his son in a iron cage, where he cant walk or sleep though he is a political prisoner no one in the world treat political prisoners like this. look his biography u will come to know but not many people have write about him, bcoz his area called balochistan was being oprresed by pakistan till now and there are not many educated in that area.

[SashaBlue]

Originally Posted by clawson26

1) Whether you believe in Jesus as a biblical figure and the Son of God etc... or not... check your history! Jesus was a "real person" who is referenced in many NON-religious historical texts as a man who helped the less fortunate and tried to make the world a better place.

2) Wow that's rude!

Totally agree. Jesus Christ is the most influential and most important leader of all time.

Also agree... check your history. Jesus walked the earh 100 percent man and 100 percent God.

Here they are...

Jesus, the Son of the Living God
Ronald Reagan
George Washington
Robert E. Lee
Martin Luther (not King although he was influential too)
and.... George W. Bush

Bring it.

[cooldude11]

Originally Posted by serafin

I've actually thought quite often about this and have come to the conclusion that there is no such person (especially when the question includes the words "the world"), because we then measure and compare that individual(s) with others persons that come from a part the world and culture that we are most familiar with. But if we can ask, who was the best leader that most dramatically changed the staus quo of a world that needed changing, that person, without a doubt would be Mahatme Gandhi. The way he combined political savy with spiritual belief of active non-violence and non-copperation to free India from the British Raj... a feat unparrelles in history. The last part of his life (especially the last several years) reads like something out of myth and religious scripture.

After Gandhi's death, Albert Einstein said of Gandhi: "Generations to come will scarcely believe that such a one as this walked the earth in flesh and blood." He also once said," I believe that Gandhi's views were the most enlightened of all the political men in our time. We should strive to do things in his spirit: not to use violence in fighting for our cause, but by non-participation in anything you believe is evil."

I have to agree with that 100%.

But if Martin Luther King counts on this post then I will have to list RFK. Watching him go from a lost boy raised in a scandalous family to a grown independent man fully with his own identity who stepped into a spotlight that was very known to be life threatening, and in the end it was. But everything he stood for still stands in that spotlight.