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If you are stuck here Mooseketeer then yes try to change from within, The assault by New Labour in our area was very complete and these guys all belong to the trouser leg brigade and the only way out of their control was to get Tory in, sad but it worked, N Labour has lost it's grip here and socialists (old Labour) can again fight, although it has to be said this new Tory is more Labour than the New Labour ever was.
When the New Labour MP before the last election was questioned about the war he refused to answer even though he had supported it and TB at every vote.
What chance the electorate when this sort of switching takes place.
I want Old Labour back, that's my problem... New Labour and the Tories are way, way too close. I live in David Cameron's constituency and I see that all the time. As they say, Fur coat and no knickers ! The Iraq war, loss of some of our basic human rights on the so called bloody war on terror and university fees have really affected my trust in them but on social issues I am still with them a lot more than other parties so as you can imagine I feel betrayed and quite at a loss...
I want Old Labour back, that's my problem... New Labour and the Tories are way, way too close. I live in David Cameron's constituency and I see that all the time. As they say, Fur coat and no knickers ! The Iraq war, loss of some of our basic human rights on the so called bloody war on terror and university fees have really affected my trust in them but on social issues I am still with them a lot more than other parties so as you can imagine I feel betrayed and quite at a loss...
Having met George Gallow can report he is a very quiet gent unlike his apparitions on the media, TB must have feared him enormously, over using the word respect as he ordered. Can you imagine what sort of relationship GG would have had with GB if he had been PM?
Having met George Gallow can report he is a very quiet gent unlike his apparitions on the media, TB must have feared him enormously, over using the word respect as he ordered. Can you imagine what sort of relationship GG would have had with GB if he had been PM?
I would have loved to see GG take on Bush ! A battle of unequal mind me thinks ! He would have wiped the floor with Dubya, his grasp of world affairs and politics as well as his grasp of English being slightly more coherent ! It would have made hilarious TV, plus no "poodling" from GG either. I am really very fond of GG actually !
Bush doesn't influence everyones opinion on the States.
It's a hot topic so naturally it comes up but anyone with sense will take ALL Americans and their way of living in to account.
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Bush doesn't influence everyones opinion on the States.
It's a hot topic so naturally it comes up but anyone with sense will take ALL Americans and their way of living in to account.
I suppose it would be trite to say how with our (UK+US) type system we cannot get the likes of Tony Bliar or GB out of power even though they might have been elected by the minority, so much for our type of democracy, and we are trying to export the same kind of insensitive system around the globe. Which raises the question if it does not work here why will it work in Afganistan and Iraq?
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How the World Views Americans
I would say that most of the world does not judge the American people based on the actions of GW. Most people can separate the people from the actions of their government. For instance, I like the Iranian people. Most of the Iranians I have met are very friendly people. However, I STRONGLY disapprove of the Iranian government!
I would say that most of the world does not judge the American people based on the actions of GW. Most people can separate the people from the actions of their government. For instance, I like the Iranian people. Most of the Iranians I have met are very friendly people. However, I STRONGLY disapprove of the Iranian government!
Must say I echo your sentiments of the Iranians, French American, except am inclined to wonder how much different the government of Iran would be if we did not meddle.
We have used muscle at every corner with support for Isreal which in itself might be laudible but thats only our perspective.
Can we expect our nations actions to be forgiven and forgotten all of a hurry, it seems like we are asking a great deal from those we harm, and in spite of what our leaders tell us publicly they must believe the Arabic nations are very peace loving indeed?
As a young American who is becoming increasingly disillusioned with his government's ability to respond to the needs and desires of its constituency, I must simply plead and beg the rest of the world to not hold the American people accountable for what atrocities this madman known as George W. Bush commits on foreign soil. The vast majority of Americans are decent, good-natured people who volunteer in their communities, give to charity, donate blood, attend church, respect others, etc., and anyone who equates President Bush to the average American needs a reality check.
I was only 15-years-old during the 2000 election, but even at that time I strongly supported Al Gore over George W. Bush (as did most of our nation, as Gore won the popular vote). I turned 18 on Election Day in 2004, and I dejectedly voted for John Kerry. I found many flaws with Kerry's presidential potential, but I just figured "anything is better than Bush at this point." Let it be known to people from across the pond and across the globe that most Americans disapprove of President Bush's job performance---which was recently at a record low approval rating of about 27% I believe, with 73% of the nation disapproving of his actions. For every one American who thinks that George Bush is a great leader, there are three others who hate him just as much as many foreigners do.
By the way, I agree with the statements about the media. I too must "hunt" rigorously on the Internet in order to find the latest news headlines from other countries, as CNN, FoxNews, MSNBC, etc. only tend to focus on the U.S. The reason why most non-Americans know more about our nation than we know about other nations is simply because you're over-exposed to our culture while we have to struggle and go to greater lengths to learn about yours. You're exposed to us daily through advertising, the film industry, the media, etc. while I can't remember the last time I heard Stockholm, Manchester, or Copenhagen mentioned on the evening news. I love learning as much as I can about other cultures and customs (I'm hoping to soon master Spanish so I can then start to learn a third language), but Americans have to do so much more "legwork" in order to learn about places like Norway, Portugal, or Croatia than people in those nations have to do in order to learn about us.
I must simply plead and beg the rest of the world to not hold the American people accountable for what atrocities this madman known as George W. Bush commits on foreign soil.
It would be most unfair for others to make this judgment SWB but just as with Aparthied, pressure on the nation from abroad has an effect, eventually Tony Bliar became a loss leader for the New Labour Party in the UK. While we are talking of this gentleman (sic) from over here it would be reasonable to say TB is mad and has exemplified madness on many occasions usually publically.
The British people did not support this war in their entirety but will for ever carry the stain of this crime against humanity.
British people have become enured to critisism, but this was in the past when we were patriotic and our press turned defeat into victory.
When one examines the course of war in history the British have bungled an awful lot and I contend that without our crass support indeed direction given by Blair supporting your commercial sector to guide and urge your President, a president who has proved to hold few scruples, this attacking war, the greatest bungle of all time could never have happened.
What I ment was that in European countries we are more aware- in general since I speak generally as most do conserning this matter- than the average American about the world (in general),
I completely agree with this. We are just not exposed on a regular basis or even taught in detail during school about much beyond our own borders. It's kinda sad. I would also hope that the rest of the world can and will separate the American people and our President....but I know that isn't going to be the case.
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The Iraq war, loss of some of our basic human rights on the so called bloody war on terror and university fees have really affected my trust in them but on social issues I am still with them a lot more than other parties so as you can imagine I feel betrayed and quite at a loss...
How the World Views Americans
