What is the GREATEST NATION ON EARTH? (low crime, homes)

[TomDot]

I'm actually from Australia which registers number 3 - 9 places higher than the US. I've lived in the US, UK and Australia and visited about 20 others.

The U.S.'s ranking has jumped around that list quite a bit.
2 years ago it was number 8. last year it was 15 this year it is 12. What do I make of that?

I don't believe I have anything to be envious about given Australia registers higher (significantly in most) than the US in just about every category. having said that I don't make any claims that my country is number 1. It's one of a handful of countries that are great.

Those nations are not great. They are nice little nations of no consequence which have nice quality of life. No one is great that doesn't make a stand or pick a side.
History will not remember the Australia of the late 20th and early 21st centuries. Neither will it remember all the other more livable nations apparently ahead of the U.S. on this list.

And I do really like the States.. I lived and went to High School in San Diego. I have a lot of friends there. I sincerely hope it gets out of the mess it's in.

It will. We have faced far more dire predicaments than this current economic crisis and have come out on top.

Dismissing someone as being envious just because they dare question the notion that the US is number 1 could be contrued as arrogance.

What right do you have to call people who think that America is the greatest nation, arrogant?

Insisting that your country is number 1 in spite of many stats that suggest otherwise could also be constued as insecurity.

What stats? I tried to find the methodology of that list and could not locate it. Maybe you can help.

I agree with you about the Soviet Union but the US has seen it's freedom subside alarmingly in the last 6 years. The Patriot act is an obomination. The Fed has made the US a centrally controlled economy.
It has less of a free market than a lot of countries. Socialism sent the Soviet Union broke and it is doing the same to the US.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. First we have to catch up to the level of European socialism. And we are not there yet!

Unfortunately IMO it seems that Americans are turning a blind eye to what is going on which will see it sink further.

Right now our economy is triple that of the next highest nation so we have a lot of leeway in that department.
Were you aware that my tiny little state, (Massachusetts) produces half that of the entire Australian Continent. And that if Australia was a state in the U.S. it would be the 48th poorest state in the nation.
Wow, we are one heckuva rich country!

I hope I'm wrong. Americans get fed a lot of propoganda like "It's much worse eveywhere else".

No we don't

[npumcrisz]

Originally Posted by US-Traveller

GIVE UP PEOPLE! The United States is the most livable, safest, most powerful country in the WORLD! Everyone that lives outside the US may like the country they live in, but when it comes down to the facts, they know that the US is the best and most influential.

Influence: The economy for example. Whenever there is a recession or depression in the United States, the WHOLE WORLD goes into depression or recession.

Fat lie.

browser the web OR watch cnn international FROM INDIA FOR EXAMPLE; tv 24 and others.

[billsaintkilda]

Originally Posted by TomDot

The U.S.'s ranking has jumped around that list quite a bit.
2 years ago it was number 8. last year it was 15 this year it is 12. What do I make of that?



Those nations are not great. They are nice little nations of no consequence which have nice quality of life. No one is great that doesn't make a stand or pick a side.
History will not remember the Australia of the late 20th and early 21st centuries. Neither will it remember all the other more livable nations apparently ahead of the U.S. on this list.




It will. We have faced far more dire predicaments than this current economic crisis and have come out on top.



What right do you have to call people who think that America is the greatest nation, arrogant?



What stats? I tried to find the methodology of that list and could not locate it. Maybe you can help.



Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. First we have to catch up to the level of European socialism. And we are not there yet!



Right now our economy is triple that of the next highest nation so we have a lot of leeway in that department.
Were you aware that my tiny little state, (Massachusetts) produces half that of the entire Australian Continent. And that if Australia was a state in the U.S. it would be the 48th poorest state in the nation.
Wow, we are one heckuva rich country!



No we don't

I didn't say someone who thinks the US is the greatest nation is arrogant. What I said someone who states it as fact is arrogant.

Big difference. As far as being remembered I certainly remember my country as well as other country's contributions. And that certainly makes Australia a great nation. It's soldiers were legendary in helping fighting Hitler and fought alongside Americans to repel Japanese aggression in WW2. In WWI A lot of Australians were slaughtered at Gollipilli to fight for freedom a lot of countries enjoy today. I certainly remember that. You might not remember that but anyone who knows jack about history will know that. But a lot of other countries did their bit too so I'm not so arrogant as to suggest we have a monopoly on grreatness. How dare you belittle other countries simply because they're not as powerful as the US. I might add that Australia has been the US most loyal ally. Not always rightly IMO.

Australia GDP is comprable to your 6th Richest state which is Ohio so I don't where you get your facts.

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And it is much better placed than a lot of your states because the Government has consistantly run a surplus.

They are great countries and to dismiss them as not great because they're not as influential as the US well I won't say it..

You do get propaganda. I see FOX news. It was telling Americans 2 years ago how great economy was. They still have idioits on there saying that eveything is much worse everywhere else.

You are way passed Europe already. Europe hasn't stolen from it's tax payers to bailout investment bankers. Europe doesn't have 2 nationalised mortgage underwriters. Now you're nationalising your auto industry. Other countries are doing stimulus packages but nothing like the US is doing.

My point has always been that America is great despite it's faults. But just because it's powerful doesn't make it definiteley without argument the greatest nation on earth. It's done some great things.

What I fear about America is that it's basically a giant hedge fund. All those countries, China, Japan, Saudi Arabia, UK are going to want their money back and when they do the dollar is going to collapse. It's lost about 30% of it's value since 2002 even with the rally that ended a couple of weeks ago.

The US economy is unsustainable and I reckon you're in for a rude shock.
Do you accept the fact that you're broke? Your government's just printing money. This economic mess you are in is far worse than what you have been throiugh in the past. Your post confirms that most of you are oblivious to this. Come back to this thread in a couple of years. I actually hope you're right and I'm wrong on this for the sake of my friends there.

And as for being remembered for something, I'd rather be remembered for being a nice livable little country than a country that started a war based on a lie, tortured people without a trial, had a vice president who had $5 million in stock options for the company who benifited most from the said war, got itself into a pile of debt that it couldn't pay back, got itself into more debt by bailing out the people who were responsible and started a world wide financial meltdown. The last 6 years have been among the darkest in US history. I think unfortunately it will be remembered for this more than the great things it did.

[TomDot]

As far as being remembered I certainly remember my country as well as other country's contributions. And that certainly makes Australia a great nation.

My apologies to the ANZAC but how is Australia a great nation?
I can list a couple of reasons why it is a very good nation.
-Quality of life
-Freedom
Leadership is a true mark of greatness. Where does Australia lead the world?

But a lot of other countries did their bit too so I'm not so arrogant as to suggest we have a monopoly on grreatness. How dare you belittle other countries simply because they're not as powerful as the US.

I am not belittling any country. I am stating facts. For better or for worse The U.S. of this period will be remembered as one of, if not the, most powerful and influential nation states that ever existed on this planet.
The Norway or Denmark or Australia of this period will not!

Australia GDP is comprable to your 6th Richest state which is Ohio so I don't where you get your facts.

As far as per capita income, Australia would be number 46 if it were a state.

You do get propaganda. I see FOX news. It was telling Americans 2 years ago how great economy was. They still have idioits on there saying that eveything is much worse everywhere else.

Most people thought that the economy was going great at that time.
28 straight quarters of real growth will do that.

You are way passed Europe already. Europe hasn't stolen from it's tax payers to bailout investment bankers. Europe doesn't have 2 nationalised mortgage underwriters. Now you're nationalising your auto industry. Other countries are doing stimulus packages but nothing like the US is doing.

You have absolutely no idea of what you are talking about if you think that the U.S. has surpassed Europe in socialism. The only reason that these things are ocurring is because our government is attempting to prevent a depression.

The US economy is unsustainable and I reckon you're in for a rude shock.
Do you accept the fact that you're broke? Your government's just printing money. This economic mess you are in is far worse than what you have been throiugh in the past. Your post confirms that most of you are oblivious to this. Come back to this thread in a couple of years. I actually hope you're right and I'm wrong on this for the sake of my friends there.

Could you please explain how it is that you know more than any other financial analyst in the entire world?
The top financial minds do not truly know where this is going but somehow you do?
As far as all these investors of our country go. Do you really believe that they would take their money and walk away smiling?
Whether you believe it or not. The United States is the world's economic engine.
We go down, you go down harder! That goes especially for China.
for example: The U.S. is spending less this year for Christmas, guess what? China is in turmoil.

The last 6 years have been among the darkest in US history.

Well I'm certainly glad that the memory of the American Civil War will be a mere sidenote compared to the last 6 years. LOL!!!!!

I think unfortunately it will be remembered for this more than the great things it did.

No it won't! You are spouting simple loony left wing crap and that will be forgotten tomorrow.

[Mathguy]

Pros for the US:

1) Almost unlimited upward mobility for those willing to work hard.
2) Enormous culture variety. Melting pot of the world.
3) Enormous geographical variety....AK to Florida...pick something you like.

I certainly don't think you can pick ONE country and its obviously debatable. Several european nations would be quite nice to live in...also like Aus. and NZ

[JL]

If you lots of money, you can make any nation your home and make it the best country for you.

[Alex Libman]

There can be no such thing as a "great nation", it's the individuals who accomplish things.

[Huckleberry3911948]

most likely france. used to be us, but we got just plain ugly. we took a bad freeway exit 40 years ago. not all change is progress. maybe we can get back on the freeway, i hope so. merry christmas.

[edwarise]

America was interesting empire of the second half of the 20th centure. it's still a good country and interesting place to visit or to live, but it's falling as many others empires before. what did america do for the world during its 5-6 decades as a leading nation? not so mach as it could. it's economic, cultural and poolitical influence were more bad than good for the world. liberalism? hollywood? mcdonalds? "democracy"? maybe most important things which america gave to the world for history would be jazz, poker and american football. + saving half of europe from soviet troops during WWII, it was good thing. people of the world would remember a lot of bad thing of american time - a lot of wars, Vietnam, Serbia, Iraq and so on, big cultural and political pressure, little tolerance to the others nations cultures and rights, agressive politics and corporations, big financial mess, which destroy a lot of lives around the globe.

which empire would be next? most probable china - it's coming back after 2 bad centures. and then maybe someone else.

[Alex Libman]

USA is declining, but it's still #1 - otherwise I wouldn't still be here. Its major competitors are tiny and volatile: Hong Kong (not really a nation), Iceland, Ireland, Singapore, Dubai, etc. Some of those are better at some aspects than others: the last two are more like giant corporations than countries, which may or may not be a good thing...