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Old 03-21-2017, 05:37 AM
 
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The use of the comma in #2 avoids ambiguity.

Is "cheese and bread" one item or two?

#2 clearly lists four items.

To me, #1 and #2 do not mean the same thing. That's what caused the problem in the lawsuit.
^That's it.
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Old 03-21-2017, 05:41 AM
 
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There's pleasant little book ta deals with this. It also differentiates between British and American usage. It was a best seller. Buy one off the physical editions.

https://www.amazon.com/Eats-Shoots-L...ves+and+shoots
That's a popular book that often is mentioned among writers, but I don't have a copy. I'm going to get one.
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Old 03-21-2017, 07:35 AM
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Opinions please. Why is #1 better than #2? (sentence fragments intended)

1.) Eggs, bacon, cheese and bread.

2.) Eggs, bacon, cheese, and bread.

Other than the obvious one character less.

Don't get me wrong, I always use #1 form.

Note there is always the:

3.) Eggs, bacon, cheese, bread.


The truckers law suit in a nutshell:


In a trucking contract, the truckers can only eat one of listed food choices in your 1.) or your 2.)


The truckers in the lawsuit are going to use your 1.), because the last choice is cheese and bread. They are not going to go for your list 2.) because then they can only have cheese OR bread (or eggs or bacon).


The "Oxford comma" is simply proper use of the comma - depending on the context of course. So if you always use #1 regardless, how does your reader distinguish between the two different meanings just discussed?


If you read the summary of the lawsuit you'll see why failure to use the Oxford comma was an expensive mistake. Those truckers, sticklers for grammar, took 'em to the cleaners!
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Old 03-21-2017, 08:49 AM
 
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I am definitely an Oxford comma woman.
Same here.
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Old 03-21-2017, 08:51 AM
 
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Opinions please. Why is #1 better than #2? (sentence fragments intended)

1.) Eggs, bacon, cheese and bread.

2.) Eggs, bacon, cheese, and bread.
It isn't better; it is wrong, IMO.

#2 is correct.

There should always be a comma when separating entities.
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Old 03-21-2017, 09:27 AM
 
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I use the Oxford comma in my writing, for no other reason than it is in accordance with The Chicago Manual of Style. More important than whether or not it is used is that it is either used, or not used, consistently in a given work.

But I cannot get worked up over the rather silly question as to whether or not one or the other is right or proper.
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Old 03-21-2017, 11:13 AM
 
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I admit I fell away from the Oxford comma in my wild 20s, those heady years when participles dangled and run-ons ran on (though I never inhaled). I'm glad I'm back now.
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Old 03-21-2017, 01:49 PM
 
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I am definitely an Oxford comma woman.
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Yup!
I have been using the "Oxford Comma" in all of my writing
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Same here.
We need T-shirts, dammit!
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Old 03-21-2017, 01:50 PM
 
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I admit I fell away from the Oxford comma in my wild 20s, those heady years when participles dangled and run-ons ran on (though I never inhaled). I'm glad I'm back now.
It's never too late to turn oneself around.

You get a T-shirt, too.
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Old 03-21-2017, 03:30 PM
 
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Thank God I'm not a lawyer. I'll continue to use the grammar I was taught in school.
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