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Another one I've seen is "a hard road to hoe". It doesn't make any sense, but given that there are fewer people who have ever used a hoe, the reference probably doesn't come easily to mind.
The phrase is "a hard row to hoe". Refers of crops or even gardens where you have many plants in a row with irrigation in the valley between the rows. A hoe is often used to chop out unwanted plants while leaving the good ones. If the unwanted plants are mixed closely in with the good ones, isolating them becomes difficult without damaging the good ones, and it is a hard row to hoe.
I agree.
However, I have finally learned, late in life, to ignore such foolishness.
Another thing that I find annoying is the apparent lack of caring enough to proofread the typing before hitting the "Post" button. All too many people obviously don't care how the rest of the world sees them.
As for the "woman with a four year college degree", that is just a point to prove my contention that the only difference between a BSN (Bachelor of Science Nurse) and an ADN (Associates Degree Nurse) is a few of what I call "feather courses" that have nothing to do with patient care. In fact, both of them take exactly the same test to qualify to put RN after their name! However, in many, if not most, organizations, only a BSN will be considered for a management position. Actually, this works great for those who know going in that they want nothing to do with "management". They get the ADN, take the NCLEX to become an ADRN, and go to work taking care of sick people. They can't be faulted for not trying for a "Promotion", because they are not qualified.
Sorry for the rant, but that line pushed one of my "Hot Buttons". I am married to an ADRN with about 30 years of experience as a Med/Surg Nurse, most of it as a traveler or float pool Nurse. I have seen first hand the difference in care between the BSN and the ADRN (None!) and the difference in observed attitude between the two (sometimes considerable). I would often much rather have an ADRN taking care of me!
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I hear you. While I do respect people who put the time, money, and effort into getting a BSN, I don't think it makes someone a better nurse. As you pointed out, we all take the same exam to become an RN so we all need the same basic medical knowledge. The fact that the BSN requires extra courses, several in the area of language arts, drives home my point of why in the world my boss can't use proper grammar. I do understand why many companies require a BSN to move up to a management position, because when I inquired about pursuing my BSN at one time, I learned that the few courses that I still needed were in nursing management.
I never did get my BSN because frankly, after 28 years as an RN I am really just waiting to retire from nursing to pursue other interests and I have no desire to rack up the cost of additional nursing education, not to mention that I have absolutely no desire whatsoever to work in any type of nursing management and am happy just to work at my current job until I can afford to leave nursing altogether.
I have known many very skilled and competent Associates Degree and Diploma nurses that I would trust with my life. I am a Diploma nurse who graduated from a rigorous hospital based RN program that had a reputation for turning out the best nurses in the city, not that I think I am particularly great, just lucky to get through it and have a long and relatively successful career. I have also known several (generally young) BSN nurses who possessed a great contempt for bedside care and wanted to avoid it on their way to the top at all costs, but also some who loved hands on care. I guess it depends on the individual.
Anyway, I didn't mean to hijack my own thread, lol, so I will just say that I am thankful for the teachers that I had throughout my primary and secondary education who took the time to teach correct grammar. I am not perfect but I can spot glaring errors and I am thankful. I guess I "should of" thanked my "teacher's" when I had a chance.
Well, yeah, let's take a thread about punctuation, and turn it into yet another anti-BSN rant! We just did this on the Colorado forum. Since this is the education forum, I guess it's OK for me to add my 2c.
Now that I am retired, I feel I can speak more frankly about nursing education, and not have to say "It depends on the nurse". It does, somewhat, but the level of education is important too. It is untrue that a BSN just has more courses that those with ADNs and diplomas simply think are "fluff". You can see all my comments on this thread: http://www.city-data.com/forum/color...-colorado.html
Here is a quote of mine: Front Range (Community College, Westminster CO) requires a minimum of 71 credit hours, not quite 5 full semesters, 7 clinical nursing courses. https://frontrange.smartcatalogiq.co...635.1532720949
Front Range doesn't say how many clinical hours represent 1 credit so I couldn't compute that.
Anyone who thinks you can learn in two years what you learn in 4 is whistling Dixie. It is also untrue that there is no difference in care between the two programs. I say two because diploma programs have all but vanished. According to this link, there are just 10 left. https://www.noodle.com/nursing/diploma_program
Multiple studies show a positive correlation between a baccalaureate nursing education and patient outcomes. Anyway, here is a link: https://nursingonline.pnw.edu/articl...-outcomes.aspx "More than a decade of research has shown that the quality of nursing care has a direct effect on patient outcomes across a range of clinical scenarios. Multiple studies show a positive correlation between a baccalaureate nursing education and patient outcomes."
Am I the only one who is driven crazy by otherwise educated people doing this on a regular basis? I just don't get it, it is basic English grammar that we should have learned in elementary school! <>
City-Data Forum > General Forums > Writing > I can't take it anymore. Part 2
We all suspected it, but now we finaly have the empiricial proof – grammar nazis are *******s.
Researchers at the university of michigan have drilled down into the minds of the obnoxious pedants whom feel the need to correct everyones grammar all the time.
As part of their study they asked 83 people to analyse an email full, of erors and then evaluated their personality traits.
The results were frankly unsurprising to.
Gramar police scored low on levels of agreeability and openmindedness, and high on levels of neuroticism and conscientiousness.
There’s nothing cute about desperately clinging to the finer nits of adverb use and misuse, and there’s nothing noble about publicly shaming people for grammatical gaffes and typos. And social media has only amplified the militaristic, self-congratulatory voices of the Grammar Nazis of our generation.
As a reformed Grammar Nazi myself, I feel justified in saying this to the bombastic pedants among our peers: ****. No, really. Do you see mathematicians walking around harping on other people's inability to perform complex algorithmic analyses? Or artists rudely critiquing office workers' memo pad doodles? No. No you don’t.
Well, yeah, let's take a thread about punctuation, and turn it into yet another anti-BSN rant! We just did this on the Colorado forum. Since this is the education forum, I guess it's OK for me to add my 2c.
Now that I am retired, I feel I can speak more frankly about nursing education, and not have to say "It depends on the nurse". It does, somewhat, but the level of education is important too. It is untrue that a BSN just has more courses that those with ADNs and diplomas simply think are "fluff". You can see all my comments on this thread: http://www.city-data.com/forum/color...-colorado.html
Here is a quote of mine: Front Range (Community College, Westminster CO) requires a minimum of 71 credit hours, not quite 5 full semesters, 7 clinical nursing courses. https://frontrange.smartcatalogiq.co...635.1532720949
Front Range doesn't say how many clinical hours represent 1 credit so I couldn't compute that.
Anyone who thinks you can learn in two years what you learn in 4 is whistling Dixie. It is also untrue that there is no difference in care between the two programs. I say two because diploma programs have all but vanished. According to this link, there are just 10 left. https://www.noodle.com/nursing/diploma_program
Multiple studies show a positive correlation between a baccalaureate nursing education and patient outcomes. Anyway, here is a link: https://nursingonline.pnw.edu/articl...-outcomes.aspx "More than a decade of research has shown that the quality of nursing care has a direct effect on patient outcomes across a range of clinical scenarios. Multiple studies show a positive correlation between a baccalaureate nursing education and patient outcomes."
Meh. It’s not just the years. It’s also the selectively of the school and the curriculum. A BSN from a top school is capable of critical thought. They often move on with specialist training. Nurse practitioner. Nurse anesthetist. 6 figure jobs that require that a lot of your neurons are firing properly. A BSN out of a 3rd tier state school isn’t as selective or rigorous. You don’t see many grads on those career trajectories. Most of them end up doing mostly repetitive task jobs.
Comma misuse is worse than apostrophe misuse. I can always understand what is meant in a sentence that misuses apostrophes. Omit some commas and it completely changes the meaning of the sentence. “I like eating small children and pets.” With fava beans and a nice Chianti, apparently.
Frankly, when I see these errors in the writings of forum posters, I automatically assume that the poster is either stupid or careless and treat their posts accordingly.
I tend to do that also, but I really shouldn't, because I know plenty of people IRL who are intelligent in other ways than in grammar and spelling...RNs, lawyers, cowboys, bankers, oilfield workers, math teachers, scientists, housewives, etc.
I try not to be a grammar Nazi. I have a good time in my own mind, though.
The phrase is "a hard row to hoe". Refers of crops or even gardens where you have many plants in a row with irrigation in the valley between the rows. A hoe is often used to chop out unwanted plants while leaving the good ones. If the unwanted plants are mixed closely in with the good ones, isolating them becomes difficult without damaging the good ones, and it is a hard row to hoe.
Yes...I'm aware.
My POINT was that those who are using "a hard road to hoe" don't know this.
I tend to do that also, but I really shouldn't, because I know plenty of people IRL who are intelligent in other ways than in grammar and spelling...RNs, lawyers, cowboys, bankers, oilfield workers, math teachers, scientists, housewives, etc.
I try not to be a grammar Nazi. I have a good time in my own mind, though.
Same here. I doubt my ex-husband could have spelled "divorce" if you held a gun to his head, but he was a talented carpenter and mechanic above the average. The only thing I regretted about kicking his ass to the curb was the loss of his tool box and knowledge of how to fix and build things. If he wasn't so busy focusing on his various addictions, which did not at the time include working, I would not have minded continuing to be partnered with someone who lacked writing skills.
I also built a career partly on the ability to translate and clean up the documents of engineers so that they could be read and understood by regular people. They weren't stupid at all, but their handwriting was often illegible and they didn't always communicate their thoughts and information well.
But I also have a good time in my own mind, and I don't feel too bad about it. While I get that some people truly have learning disabilities, it's pretty obvious when that's the case. Most of the time it is just laziness or the anti-authority attitude, or, what I think is mostly the case, just a clear signal that the person doesn't read much. If you read, you know what words and sentence structure are supposed to look like.
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