04-20-2013, 08:25 PM
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Move to douglas then.
04-20-2013, 10:32 PM
Location: North Dakota
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April.C
Hi everyone. My husband was recently offered 2 jobs and we need to make a decision by tomorrow on which one we are going to take
We currently live outside of Houston.
Option #1 is Kemmerer - Itty bitty town. Longer winters. Further from family. AMAZING housing prices. I'm worried that I might be too isolated and we won't be able to sell the house since the market is smaller.
Option #2 is Douglas - Bigger town. Location is EXACTLY where we want. We might be living in a tent - houses are $50,000-70,000 more expensive. We can afford it, but my goal was to be completely out of debt in 8 years and that won't happen if we move here. I'm worried that if we buy now, the housing market will fall since they seem to be in a boom period right now.
What else should I know consider/know about these towns?
Thanks!
Although I understand wanting to be out of debt, I would choose Douglas. This is not to say that Kemmerer is a bad town, but Douglas is close to the interstate and close to Casper which is a nice place to be close to. Douglas is also a bit bigger than Kemmerer and there might be a bit more to do. I'm not sure what the rental situation is like there, but why not consider renting before buying a place? Nothing wrong with renting.
04-21-2013, 12:39 AM
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Choices
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April.C
Thank you so much for all the replies! This decision is so much harder because I've never seen either of these places. We were hoping to have at least a couple weeks to decide so that I could make the trip and be better informed.
I don't follow Dave now that I'm out of debt. We pay cash for everything.
You're right about Douglas being a far easier drive to either Denver or Billings. I'm planning a trip to SE Idaho in September, staying one night with my son in Denver metro, and driving four hundred miles to stay in Kemmerer the next night. And it's even further to Billings. In addition, as I recall, Kemmerer only has two lane roads leading into it. Douglas has I-25 and you are relatively close to either Casper or Cheyenne for "bigger" cities. Kemmerer is a long way from any city of size.
Of course, all that plays into your choices.
Best of luck to you and your family.
04-21-2013, 07:01 AM
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My family and I moved to Douglas 2 years ago, and we love it here. I have school-aged children, so I particularly like how much the schools invest in our students. We were worried about buying a home at the higher prices and the boom/bust cycle, but hubby has friends who work in energy industry who say that this boom cycle will outlast even my children living in Converse County.
04-21-2013, 07:10 AM
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April.C
Goal #2 is debt free.
So Douglas seems like the Obvious choice for lots of reasons.
As for being debt free ~ it's good (we only have a home mortgage, but the interest rate is less than we earn in interest on our emergency fund), but life takes priority. For instance, my wife wanted to have her school loans paid off by the time she turned 30 (she graduated at 26) which didn't happen but we bought a house, adopted a dog, traveled outside the country, etc... School loans were gone almost 5 years to the month that she graduated though (right before she turned 31). So make your "debt free" calculations based on your living arrangements once you're moved and settled in WY. It may add a year, or you may find that it takes a year off because there's more things to do that don't involve so much $$$ (or less opportunity/need to shop, etc...) But the calculations you made while living in TX aren't going to be accurate for living in WY ~ maybe close, but you'll need to redo them anyway. And if you've not Done calculations... well, then you really don't want to be debt free bad enough.
We've had a mortgage as our only debt since 2009. Really NOT looking forward to when we need to replace a car (our 2001 has 242,000 miles) and the subsequent loan/payments/debt.
04-21-2013, 10:41 AM
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US 30 runs thru Kemmerer, alot of trucks use it as a short cut to Pocatello and I-15 from I-80 just past Little America.
04-21-2013, 02:28 PM
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Thank you to everyone who responded. Decision day arrived and we decided to go with Douglas. We'll get a smaller house than I would like, but the proximity to family won out in the end. Thank you for all the insight
. And if anyone knows of any dental hygienist jobs, that's our next big step in the process...
04-21-2013, 02:48 PM
Location: North Dakota
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Thank you to everyone who responded. Decision day arrived and we decided to go with Douglas. We'll get a smaller house than I would like, but the proximity to family won out in the end. Thank you for all the insight
. And if anyone knows of any dental hygienist jobs, that's our next big step in the process...
Welcome to Wyoming! Keep the questions coming if you have any more.
04-22-2013, 10:04 PM
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Kemmerer..and I am from Wyoming. I live in CA now. Housing prices are high in Douglas? I wonder why? Anyway...I have lived in Casper, Worland, and Evanston..which is near Kemmerer. I'd take Kemmerer due to it being so close to the beauty of Utah. I'd choose Worland due to the closeness to the beauty of The Big Horn Mountains! But Douglas? Casper is nothing but wind in my opinion.
04-23-2013, 09:43 AM
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Kemmerer..and I am from Wyoming. I live in CA now. Housing prices are high in Douglas? I wonder why? Anyway...I have lived in Casper, Worland, and Evanston..which is near Kemmerer. I'd take Kemmerer due to it being so close to the beauty of Utah. I'd choose Worland due to the closeness to the beauty of The Big Horn Mountains! But Douglas? Casper is nothing but wind in my opinion.
Note that the O.P.'s decision had already been made hours before your post. Maybe you realized that but just wanted to put in your opinion for others, which is fine
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Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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