05-26-2015, 01:18 PM
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If you are looking at purchasing land in the Western Heartlands Subdivision beware! The developer Wayne Joyner has lied to everyone that has purchased land there and told them that he would put power into the subdivision. He did do that for a few people at the front of the subdivision so that appearances would lure people into the subdivision to buy land. He also sent out a proposed power plan to all that own property there and said that power would be installed by 2012. This is now 2015 and there is not plan to run the power as he promised.
The developer has been stringing people along promising to get the power run (we have owned our lot for over 3 years and he has yet to run the power as promised or to put gravel on the roads as promised). The roads are atrocious and gravel is not being put on the roads as promised so when it rains, the roads are a mess.
We have been trying to get power to our house for months now and the Developer Wayne Joyner keeps telling us and Beartooth Electric that he will have his half of the money to them in a couple of weeks, in a couple of weeks, etc. Now he told Beartooth Electric that it may be in a month or more. We have property bordering the highway and plan to put up a large very legible sign warning buyers of the pitfalls of buying here.
We have been very patient and have been running on propane in order to build our house but it has now cost us over $5000 in propane just to have electricity. Now we are being strung along further and now Beartooth Electric is telling us that they may not run any more power into the subdivision due to Mr. Joyner's antics and continuous lies.
If you are looking at buying here, let me save you a lot of heartache and money. You may or may not find suitable water AND you probably won't be able to get power to your lot in the future. Beartooth Electric is the only game in town and they are now reconsidering ever running power into the subdivision due to Mr. Joyner's unfulfilled promises.
Learn from someone who just sunk a bunch of money into a piece of property that is now worthless!
If you want more details, contact me at
wapiticabin@gmail.com . I will save you a bunch of money and frustration!
06-17-2015, 09:00 AM
Location: Wyoming Forever
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Talk to the county assessor. If this is a registered subdivision, then it is spelled out what is all that is required of the sub divider to comply with. I think they have to post bond until everything is done. If not spelled out, then buyer beware. A lot of so called subdivisions around the state are truly not registered subdivisions, but just someone selling 40 acre lots. Those are really buyer beware. Sorry for your problems.
06-17-2015, 08:41 PM
Location: I live in reality.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
wapiticabin
If you are looking at purchasing land in the Western Heartlands Subdivision beware! The developer Wayne Joyner has lied to everyone that has purchased land there and told them that he would put power into the subdivision. He did do that for a few people at the front of the subdivision so that appearances would lure people into the subdivision to buy land. He also sent out a proposed power plan to all that own property there and said that power would be installed by 2012. This is now 2015 and there is not plan to run the power as he promised.
The developer has been stringing people along promising to get the power run (we have owned our lot for over 3 years and he has yet to run the power as promised or to put gravel on the roads as promised). The roads are atrocious and gravel is not being put on the roads as promised so when it rains, the roads are a mess.
We have been trying to get power to our house for months now and the Developer Wayne Joyner keeps telling us and Beartooth Electric that he will have his half of the money to them in a couple of weeks, in a couple of weeks, etc. Now he told Beartooth Electric that it may be in a month or more. We have property bordering the highway and plan to put up a large very legible sign warning buyers of the pitfalls of buying here.
We have been very patient and have been running on propane in order to build our house but it has now cost us over $5000 in propane just to have electricity. Now we are being strung along further and now Beartooth Electric is telling us that they may not run any more power into the subdivision due to Mr. Joyner's antics and continuous lies.
If you are looking at buying here, let me save you a lot of heartache and money. You may or may not find suitable water AND you probably won't be able to get power to your lot in the future. Beartooth Electric is the only game in town and they are now reconsidering ever running power into the subdivision due to Mr. Joyner's unfulfilled promises.
Learn from someone who just sunk a bunch of money into a piece of property that is now worthless!
If you want more details, contact me at
wapiticabin@gmail.com . I will save you a bunch of money and frustration!
FINALLY! I see a good purpose for City-Data! So sorry for all that you have been through, but NICE of you to WARN others!
06-17-2015, 09:25 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
InWyo
Talk to the county assessor. The County Clerk & Recorder office is where the subdivision plat is filed, along with the CC&R's Not so. A developer can promise to build roads up to the county standards but is not obligated to do so. Along with many other aspects of the development, it's up to the developer to perform as they see fit. The only gov't requirements that typically come into play would be regarding environmental issues, community water supply, and similar items. Nope. Yes. But even if "spelled out", buyer beware applies. As witnessed by the OP's story of what has been promised and what has been delivered in this subdivision.
One needs to do their own due diligence when buying unimproved land in this state, whether a single 40 acre lot or a subdivision.
06-22-2015, 04:14 PM
Location: Londonderry, NH
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A character named Lazarus Long once said, "Trust your Grandmother but cut cards." In other words do not trust a seller about anything until you and, preferably a lawyer you hired, have checked everything about the sale and the agreements. Paying for a lawyer is a good investment.
06-28-2015, 03:37 PM
Location: Aishalton, GY
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Is this the property across the road from Clark, right before you cross the state line to Belfry?
08-15-2015, 08:06 PM
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The OP is good advice for anyone buying dirt ANYWHERE in this state. There are more parcels for sale in places that are inaccessible for 4-6 months in any given year than there are options otherwise, The shysters have taken over in the real estate business. If anyone wants to buy some dirt here, PM me and i will scout the area before you come here. I have no interest in real estate, only in protecting my new neighbours from shysters.
08-15-2015, 10:42 PM
Location: When you take flak it means you are on target
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What happened to the code of the west where a persons word was their bond?
08-16-2015, 06:53 AM
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jamies
What happened to the code of the west where a persons word was their bond?...
It has been surplanted by folks from the east and west coasts.
pW
08-26-2015, 10:47 PM
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I'm sorry for your troubles, but glad I came across this thread. I'm from the Chicago area and I'm looking to buy some land to sit on, then retire to and build on in 12-15 years. I glanced at some properties on Realtor and noticed a very wide range of prices for what I'm looking for. Now I know why.
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Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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