Mormons and Wyoming? (Big Horn: houses, to buy, construction)

[imbobbbb]

some of the complaints seem a little petty.if i owned a house or trailer that i wanted to rent and could rent it to someone i knew from church or work or the moose club or whatever i likely would as opposed to renting it to a stranger....most people would.if i worked for a company that the owners wanted a copy of the book of morman..or the koran...torah....zen and the art of motorcycle maintainence,etc in the glovebox why would i care??i mean you werent required to read it and take a quiz at the end of the day right?if the owners felt having it there meant somebody would be bored and 'see the light' so what? if somebody owns 'private property' and wishes to let members of their church hunt there whats wrong with that?its their property right?if you had land and let some people from your church hunt on it do you think you would then have to let everyone in america hunt there to be fair??..i doubt it.im not morman or religious but i have worked for a company owned by mormans as have some of my family..and i have no complaints..or do they.maybe we are just lucky or too stupid to realize we were being picked on.i dont know what religion most people ive worked for were.if someone wants to rent to sombody they know cheaper than they would rent to a stranger thats their business too...its their money.im glad that banks in powell can make enough money off mormans that they dont need to make money off us gentiles...did they ask your religion on the mortgage application?i dont doubt mormans can be cliqueish....but so can many other groups

[shadowwalker]

Emraldsky, You didn't read my posts correctly. I didn't say I got a letter in the mail. My girlfriend brought it home for me. It was waiting on me after I got home from working almost a week straight on the oilrig.
I didn't say I had to get a book of mormon and put it in the truck. It was in the company truck when I was given it to use with my job.The man that owned the company, his son in law, his best friend. All did the checking.
For my home loan. Why did the two banks in powell turn me down. And two banks in cody, accept me for a larger amount of money. Why did one in casper also accept me for a loan? Why did a person working at my company apply for a loan (after I decided to not stay at job or in powell) for one of the same houses I did. And get accepted. He was just transfered in ( about two month, I had been there over 2 1/2 years) to our shop at powell. He was a mormon church member. He also made almost 1/3 less on wages than I did.
On the jobs. I have seen qualified people have to train members to do their job. And then get demoted or transfered. So the new trained person gets the job. OR a higher one. You know the reason.
On hunting. I was flat told, I couldn't hunt on land south of Lovell,wy. Unless I had church members with me. I would listen to stories of members hunting on land around powell and lovell. I was told they would like to take me but. Non members wouldn't be allowed. They were true. I went to some of the land owners. I was told I couldn't hunt or they didn't allow hunting. Didn't mean to inflame you . I did see this is a post on Mormons and Wyoming. I added my experiences. At the time this happened to me, I happened. Just like I said.
I also see this is a Dead Horse and I just quit beating it.

[emeraldsky]

Shadowwalker, I really am sorry that you've had such awful experiences with members of the LDS faith. I truly hope that in the future, if you happen to become acquainted with any in business or in friendship, that you have a much better experience and feel that you're treated fairly and well.

I imagine there are LDS folk you associate with or come across that you have no idea are members, because most of us (like me ) don't announce our religion whenever we extend a hand in friendship or business.

I wish you the best,
emeraldsky

[WyoMama]

The Mormons . Themes . The Prohibition Against Blacks in the Priesthood | PBS (This was about the priesthood & the "revelation", i.e. against civil laws, to not allow dark skinned ppl in the priesthood in 1978).

BYU NewsNet - Racial issues heat up; BYU accused of racism, blacks get priesthood in '70s - This article mentions the black armbands that were worn for more years than I knew - started in the late 1960's - they were still wearing them in 1972-73 when my husband was going to U of Wyo. So, lisan23, here are some articles about the racism that was perhaps your time. I have been married to a mormon for 20 years. I'm not ignorant or terribly forgetful because I forgot it was Laman or whomever rather than Nephi whose followers were cursed with dark skin. OK? Whether or not you like BYU, that is not the point. this isn't about you. This is about the history & INFLUENCE mormonism has had in Wyo lifestyle. I was not going to come in but I was bound & determined to find what I could to back up what I KNEW went on during the early 1970's in the athletics area regarding Blacks & what is now the Rocky Mtn Conference athletics. I notice as I have searched racism & mormonism with many links, the links have been removed from the LDS pages cited on pages. Thought that was interesting. But whatever. Now I have backed up what I said, my husband who was with me when they asked me to sign that piece of paper giving them access to financial records & promising my 10% tithing (before taxes - and that was specified), and remembers that to that day even tho he still is mormon. He did not have to sign it when he was converted in 1973 & was actually proud of me to stand up for what was right & not sign a promise I could not be sure I could keep. So, even tho you did not call me "senile" you questioned my memory on some very important things in my spiritual journey that stand out clearly & I do have a witness (who wouldn't get on a computer to save his life, so sorry he won't get on here to support me). But here is some info to back up the thing I was saying about U of Wyo & BYU & the conference issues at the time that you also brought into question. And the 1978 turnover as a result of a "revolution" of not allowing ppl of dark skin to be a part of the priesthood in 1978 is another serious issue to show the issues in the older years (but not THAT old) of LDS doctrine. I have almost 30 years of background / living among them & within their world to speak of - and by the way...it IS ILLEGAL to not rent anything to anybody due to race, religion, creed, nationality or sexual basis. And to think the deep pockets in the town don't know who is on the LDS rosters & who is not is pure naivete. Now I gave my last thought with my citations. I'm outa here.

[ElkHunter]

Wyomama,

I sincerly hope that your not "I'm outta here".

You have brought so much enlightenment to some of us on understanding the Morman religion. I, have for one, been reading everything trying I could. NO I don't want a bible. haha But I do want to hear from somebody that has experienced both sides and understands both sides.

Please don't go away. Stay and enlighten those of us that don't understand.

[WyoMama]

I'll "lurk' occasionally. It is in most parts of our lives here in western Wyo - not near as much in eastern (have spent years there as well). But it is there as well. Most of the time there is no big deal. But when you get to the FLDS (Fundumentalists) that exist OPENLY in eastern Big Horn Basin in polygamist colonies outside the town of "L", is horrible. There are some very young women being married off here just like there are in the more popular areas being discussed in the news lately in Colo City AZ & in the San Antonio area. And also makes for probs when it comes to the CHILDREN of these wives marrying & being able to stay w/i their "faith" (cult IMHO) - not many forks in the family trees. And there is a significant amount of incestual relationships - that have been highlighted on MSNBC in past years - in thast town as well. But "L" doesn't take the cake on that - that is EVERYWHERE unfortunately. But I can't help but wonder if the warped views of FLDS in their area has some influence on that. OK - I've said wayyy too much.

[ElkHunter]

But you know, as everybody does. The news sensationalizes everything. Is it really happening? Do you have an insider view. And if you do, why did you stay long enough to know this????

Hell, I'm like any guy. For a while, I juggled two girl friends. But I can't imagine being married and having two wifes. That just baffles me.

P.S. glad your still here. Don't let the bed bugs bite. More importantantly don't let them bother you.

[lisan23]

Wyomama- you misunderstood. The article I linked even showed that there was definitely racism going on at BYU and other schools. However, you said that they didn't allow blacks into BYU before the 70's. That's what I couldn't find proof of. I found proof that they allowed about 1 black a year back then, but no evidence to show they didn't allow blacks. (I'm not happy with the way the school runs itself now, I definitely would've hated it then. As I said before - I don't like BYU.) It seems like your making a lot of presumptions and taking things the way you want instead of taking what I'm saying at face value. I don't like BYU, I don't like the racism that went on in the LDS church, and I don't like Mitt Romney either. It seems like these are all things that people assume I believe in or am OK with just because I'm LDS.

I'm well aware of the priesthood issue as well. Like I said before - MY DAD is from Africa and he was raised Mormon. (His ward was literally his family, his father excluded who didn't get baptized until he was in his late 70's.)

I'm not happy with the racism the church displayed throughout it's history, but I have to remind myself that I may not understand everything and I know what my heart tells me. I'm a liberal mormon, I typically vote democrat, and I am all for civil liberties. Despite being LDS if I hear someone discussing the religion while at my workplace I say something. If I go to a restaurant or a store and I hear employees talking about "the church" I tell them that it's not the time or place to discuss these things.

Unlike previous statements I have never ONCE seen anyone given a statement for "owing" tithing, or ever met someone who has heard of such as thing as well as the paper being signed when your baptized. (Which makes absolutely no sense at all to me as well, because a lot of members are baptized at 8.)

[WyoMama]

Originally Posted by ElkHunter

But you know, as everybody does. The news sensationalizes everything. Is it really happening? Do you have an insider view. And if you do, why did you stay long enough to know this????

Hell, I'm like any guy. For a while, I juggled two girl friends. But I can't imagine being married and having two wifes. That just baffles me.

P.S. glad your still here. Don't let the bed bugs bite. More importantantly don't let them bother you.

Yeah, actually have driven BY one compound and know 2 women from another one. They are spiritually married, not by law. The one I know 2 women from are nice but just not with any control of their own destiny even spiritually which is really sad to me but is their life, not mine. They are OK with the situation but they do feel jealousy just like siblings - not speaking for ALL FLDS on that - I don't know any others personally. Also know about 6 of their children, but not well at all - have just seen them. They seem fine & certainly have plenty of adults to watch over them!

I am in a congregation which also has a LOT of misunderstanding because of ppl just not opening their doors to learn about us & so many assumptions...I am Jehovah Witness. So now you know something very personal to me.

[ElkHunter]

Originally Posted by WyoMama

Yeah, actually have driven BY one compound and know 2 women from another one. They are spiritually married, not by law. The one I know 2 women from are nice but just not with any control of their own destiny even spiritually which is really sad to me but is their life, not mine. They are OK with the situation but they do feel jealousy just like siblings - not speaking for ALL FLDS on that - I don't know any others personally. Also know about 6 of their children, but not well at all - have just seen them. They seem fine & certainly have plenty of adults to watch over them!

I am in a congregation which also has a LOT of misunderstanding because of ppl just not opening their doors to learn about us & so many assumptions...I am Jehovah Witness. So now you know something very personal to me.

that is so cool. Not what you are doing, takes a little gettin used to. But what's cool is that you have opened up to me. I really appreacit it.