A New subdivision is coming to Soldier Creek

[WyoMama]

Originally Posted by ElkHunter

Sure, rules and laws are ok. But when the city or county already has a law in place, why create another law saying the same thing? Then, the County law is modified to the better. Does the convenance jump in and change their stuff? No. I've never seen a covenance change once it was written. Or I should say, seldom have I seen one change.

To some people a covenance is what they want and what they need for their security. And that's ok. But it shouldn't be imposed carta blanche.

Like I mentioned earlier. I take care of my place and the neighbors take care of theirs. We don't need a covenance to tell us how to be responsible. But some people do. And that's ok.

EXACTLY. Of course we have to have laws & statutes, city ordinances, etc. etc. But why do we need a "pseudo-civilian police" re-iterating & removing some of the rihts we have as private landowners? If ppl want to live in places like that I said above - have at it. But the ppl who are setting the CCR's at Copperleaf in Wapiti valley are from Florida. NOT Wyoming. And some are still in conflict, to my knowledge. Not all CCR's have been approved by the county but they build on...and ppl are buying not even knowing what the final CCR's will be - I may be wrong. I haven't read a local paper for a couple of months so things may be hammered out by now but they were buying BEFORE they were finalized. And as I said earlier in this thread the ones I know are buying are from other states - not any locals. I don't have ANY issue with ppl moving in if that is what you were getting at before. None whatsoever. I moved here a LONG time ago myself. And loved the way things are - is the reason I would even CONSIDER moving here - so no need to change from my viewpoint. I am able to stand up for myself, do not need the SS of an HOA doing it for me.

[Kristynwy]

Originally Posted by ElkHunter

Convenants are negative documents. They list all the things you can't do. Ever seen a convenant that told you what you can do? Nope. You have to read between the lines, and then give it a try, just to find out that the two guys down the block didn't like it.

What I feel is disrespectful is somebody telling me what to do with my land. So it's simple. I didn't buy where there was a convenance. My 4 wheeler is in the shed. My lawnmower is in the shed. There are absolutely no tools, or anything else in my yard. I keep it mowed. My house gets painted about every 5 years.

But I don't need no stupid convenance to tell me how to be. Pride of ownership does that.

When I paint my house, I do so with respectful colors in the neighborhood. Right now it's tan colored with darker tan trim. I don't need a covenance that says, "You must paint in Earth Tones." I have good shingles. None are torn or tattered. I don't need a covenance that says, "You must have a tile roof." I keep my vehicles well maintained and I do it either at the dealer or some other automotive shop in town. I don't need a covenance that says "You can't keep a vehicle that's more then 10 years old on your property." All my vehicles are in perfect operating condition. Although, they are more then 10 years old. I have a trailer for my 4 wheeler. I don't keep it here, I keep it in a storage lot.

I actually had a neighbor, who came from the shakey state, come over and ask me to move my firewood. My firewood is stacked against the side of my shed. He said he didn't like it and could I stack it behind the shed so he didn't have to look at it. That's what I equate a convenance to.

If you want to live in a covenance and be protected by all the neighbors. That's fine. More power to you. But don't demand a covenance everywhere.

Not everybody is looking to put a junkyard next to you. Some people, mostly natives, are respectful without being told they have to be.

I totally agree... Most people who use their hard earned money to pay for a home treat it with respect and keep it up.
Just think if there were covenants in place, the neighbor next door could tell you how to stack your firewood...

Originally Posted by WyoMama

Wow - now who would be making these changes???? And when somebody decides to start a HOA with CCR's (a level deeper - into our rights as landowners) & votes start to be made regarding my RIGHTS as to what I can do with my land then the majority rules & you are then DICTATED as to what is acceptable.

Should some HOA or CCR come along & say he cannot any longer practice (and I see that as a no-brainer as what would be near the top of his list) or hunt within the "covered" area esp. when ppl can't keep the deer out of their yards & gardens, BS to that. And I can see an HOA limiting the # of pets you can have. We have 4 hunting dogs. Think THAT would be down the tubes & can GUARANTEE that would be like limiting how many kids I can have (I believe Red China does that...). And I have 3 & sometimes 4 cats - all are healthy, get reg. shots & the dogs are not "barkers" unless there is somebody loitering in the ally - which has led us to calling the police & actually catching 2 wanted criminals or in the front yard. They also bark at deer to chase them out. That's only a few things about our lifestyle that WE CHOOSE that would likely be stomped on w/an HOA.

Why not use the laws we have in place??? Do we NEED a gestapo to rule our "ghetto mentality" communities where our homes are already selling for about $200,000 in an old neighborhood? I don't THINK so. And I paid less than $50,000 for my home 20 yr ago. Insane - the prices. And if there was an HOA to pay dues for along with the $1000 a month or more mortgages would put a lot of the ppl, who can just make ends meet, into a serious hardship at a time when foreclosures are on an unprecedented rise. Most of us are grown up enough that we don't need somebody telling us how to take care of our HUGE investments and how to take care of neighbor issues in a neighborly fashion.

If new communities, for ppl who are used or feel more security by having their rights dictated for them, springing up one at a time thruout the state want this sort of mentality & need babysat on what is common sense, so be it.

But that is why you will see VERY FEW natives in those sorts of neighborhoods. Who will move into them will be those who feel it is "prestigious" & there are babysitters taking care of the distasteful things you need to do to protect your environment. Policing within policed areas & dictating. Sounds great. Gee count ME OUT!!! I'm happy with my "ghetto" mentality. Wow - thanks for trash-talking with your own "ghetto" talk. New mentalities for us...I challenge you to come to Cody and find a "ghetto". Maybe that sort of mentality is working.

I totally agree... I don't like common sense dictated to me. I don't need anyone to hold my hand to remind me what a junky house is. I say more power to those who want to have their prestigious communities and be babysat. But don't impose it on the the rest of the state and natives that are fine taking care of themselves.

My husband and I also mow our lawns and keep up where we live the best we can and it isn't even ours, we rent it. My mottos is always leave a place better than how you first received. And boy was the place I am renting a dump when we first got here. But I have done what I can to make it look nice, I even grow veggies and flowers in containers and it has really improved the overall appearance.
My husband has an old Dodge 84 truck, he has it repainted, new rhino liner, and almost completely done with it, has a brand new engine in it, and only needs a few more parts and it runs... but we live paycheck to paycheck and with the current economy can't add those parts to it. It took us years to get it what it is today.. We then have a Honda for fuel economy, an 83 GMC Dually Diesel that is 4-wheel drive we use in the winter predominately and sometimes in the summer. And then my husband for his occupation has to drive a work van for his heating company and he brings it home so he can afford to drive to work. We will be getting a 4 wheel drive jeep a family member is giving us so I have a gas 4 wheel drive that I can afford to run to town rather than the "Diesel" truck all the time, cause the car isn't used as much in the winter and bottoms out in the snow. And right there if there was a vehicle limit, we would be up the creek! If it were up to me and money wasn't an issue I would drive our GMC Diesel all the time, but we simply can't afford it. We keep up all of our vehicles the best we can and do regular work on them. Each and every vehicle we have we depend on, and the 84 Dodge is a classic restored almost completely. You could come by my house and it is no junk yard at all because I don't need to be babysat in order to live in an orderly environment.

Originally Posted by WyoMama

THAT IS MY POINT!!!! There ARE already these laws - about food/bears, building codes, fence line, lean-tos, all that sort of thing and what sorts of pets /how may you can have in place! Why do we need more???? ENFORCE WHAT IS IN PLACE!!! They are there for OUR own protection of our safety and property values, in which the towns are highly vested. ESP a tourist town like Cody or Sheridan.

Amen to that... use what we have already... rather than tie everyone's hands further...

Originally Posted by ElkHunter

Sure, rules and laws are ok. But when the city or county already has a law in place, why create another law saying the same thing? Then, the County law is modified to the better. Does the convenance jump in and change their stuff? No. I've never seen a covenance change once it was written. Or I should say, seldom have I seen one change.

To some people a covenance is what they want and what they need for their security. And that's ok. But it shouldn't be imposed carta blanche.

Like I mentioned earlier. I take care of my place and the neighbors take care of theirs. We don't need a covenance to tell us how to be responsible. But some people do. And that's ok.

I agree completely....

[WyoMama]

OK...I'm done beating this dead horse...ain't gonna be no making those who don't understand us, understand us. And isn't that big of a deal to me. They can keep their CCR's, babysitters, dictators, & whatever else they need to make sure they are secure & don't have to talk to their neighbors about things move into those places. I can't EVEN imagine....UGH!!!!

[dictionary]

I'm not beating this horse much more either. I think a good point is that I'm voting with my pocket book. I bought in a neighborhood with convenants. I will expect to see them enforced, the discourse here helps me understand those that may choose to try to break them which will be helpful to me. At the same time, I bought the lot with those covenants. My neighbors did as well. If they choose to disregard them which some have already tried to do, I will remind them once, maybe twice. The next time I will ask for fines to be enforced. I paid a premium HOA fee in order to have those covenants. I also paid for a lot without a view of some neighbors snowmobiles. Nothing against them, I just don't like to look at them, the developer that created the covneants and my neighborhood obviously agrees.

Again, buyers need to look closely at covenants. If you buy knowing you will try to break them, don't be surprised with a hefty fine. For those living without covenants that is your choice. Enjoy that as well. Just don't disrespect my freedom to choose covenants. And in Sheridan County, I will heartily argue that the City Council or police dept. enforces those county requirements, etc.

I know several of us were furious at this gigantic RV being parked on the street right on the curve of 5th. It was a danger to the turn and to drivers, all of us called and complained, it took them 2 weeks and like, 10 complaints to get them to make him move it. Several times a few with families almost hit on the edge. Again, that RV was blocking traffic etc.

I mean c'mon on, you can afford an RV but you can't afford the 50 a month to store it? I digress.

All I can say is, move in my neighborhood, you'd better expect to be following covenants. Because they are there.. no matter what you "think" you should be able to do.

[Tiki Girl]

Let me just say that if everyone on the planet would just practice a little more consideration for others, we wouldn't need laws or neighborhood covenants. Unfortunately, that's about as likely as achieving world peace. I live on a little less than an acre in PA. My husband is an avid archery and rifle hunter. He hunts in the woods behind our house as long as it is the required distance from homes. I have no problem with that. I do think laws like these help to govern those who don't have any common sense about things like that. Do I want people shooting critters out their window when unbeknowst to them, me and my dogs are 20 ft away in the woods of my backyard? I don't think so. Now, are there totally ridiculous rules? Sure. Like no clothes poles allowed to hang laundry. But again, a few people with no common sense who let their clothes hang for a month through rain and shine (my neighbor) have given it a bad name. What's consideration? I drive down our dirt road slow so as not to kick up dust on my neighbors who are sitting on their porch and I don't mow grass at 8AM on Sunday morning, among other things. Just out of plain old consideration.

[Claim Jumper]

When I was looking at land in 2006 in Cody I came across pages of covenants up the South Fork. Restrictions such as your grass can only be no lower than 3 inches and no higher than 6 inches. This was on 10 acres lol. I need to train me a horse to only go so low when he grazes. There were so many rules I believe you can still buy one of those lots and there were only 4 available. I was out in Calif and sent my folks to look at it, they said there was no grass. I guess I could tell the realtor I would be willing to keep the grass covenant just as quick as they could get it established before I buy . They wanted over 100,000 each for these 4 lots.
These covenants are definitely for out of state wealthy people in my opinion
I ended up buying 12 acres up in Cottonwood Creek Estates and the main rule was no manufactured homes, TRAILERS, home must be a stick built or modular--suited me to a tee.

[jody_wy]

nobody forces anybody to buy land that has covenants attached to the deed. When buying you need to do your reshearch, for easments and coenats. If you don't like them don't buy.