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Originally Posted by lifesigns64

ENOW . . what about people who have this gift of speaking in tongues. If they are praying for someone, whether by laying hands and praying over someone, or at home or driving, and they are speaking in tongues . . why does prayer . . in tongues need interpretation?

Because it is not a stand alone gift, meaning it was never meant to be a prayer language.

I know that tongues should not be used to teach, without an interpreter, but what about praying . . if one has this gift and desires to use it for praying, and prayer . . what is the biblical evidence against praying in tongues???????

2 Timothy 2: 15Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 16But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

The heathens have been doing that kind of prayer language in the occult. If God would call them out of the occult, then God would not mimick their babbling by having tongues come without interpretation.

Matthew 6: 7But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. 8Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.

No one needs to be babbling a prayer to God. It is far better to know what you had asked for so that when God answers prayers, you will thank Him.

Be sure to use the King James Bible for this study. The NIV has it wrong and implies that the Holy Spirit actually makes direct interecessions by making sounds wheras the King James Bible says that the Holy Spirit makes indirect intercession by serving as a means by which Jesus Christ Whom is the One that searches our hearts and knows the mind of the Spirit is the One making the intercessions in according to the will of God BECAUSE Jesus Christ is the ONLY Mediator between God and man.

New International Version

Romans 8:26In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groans that words cannot express. 27And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints in accordance with God's will.

Note the grammarical error in verse 27. How can the he that searches our hearts AND knows the mind of the Spirit BE "the Spirit" that makes this intercession? Note the King James Bible translations:

King James Bible

Romans 8: 26Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

In verse 27, the interpretors maintained the correct pronoun of "he" in designating this as the third person seperate from us in searching our hearts and seperate from the Spirit in knowing the mind of.

In verse 26, the use of the term "itself" is given towards the Holy Spirit as signifying the Holy Spirit as the means by which this intercession is being made as it is being made without any sound uttered at all.

That is why Matthew 6:7-8 ties in with these verse because it proves how the Father knows before we ask in prayer.

Jesus Christ is the One that searches our hearts as He is the Word of God made flesh.

Hebrews 4:12For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. 14Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

John 1:1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2The same was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4In him was life; and the life was the light of men.... 14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

So Jesus is the Word that searches our hearts and knows the mind of the Spirit within us so He can make intercessions for us BECAUSE He is the ONLY Mediator between God and man.

Implying that the Holy Spirit needs to say something to God the Father is redundant and vain for God to be doing: this is why.

Matthew 10: 19But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. 20For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

John 16: 13Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. 15All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

So if the Holy Spirit speaks what He hears : then what need does God have for the Holy Spirit to pray in babbling tongues back to Himself? It is vanity and vainglorying when believers use prayer language as a means to "pull down stronghold" or "hide prayers from Satan" for the false reason so that he doesn't know what they are praying for.

Believers need no prayer language in praying to God. That is just a cop out for having tongues that comes with no interpretation.