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Old 06-03-2009, 01:37 PM
Katarina Witt
 
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Originally Posted by jetgraphics View Post
Why, how sweet... But you're wrong.



Great slanting - shows intense hostility!

Are you a psychiatrist? I thought you were some sort of an engineer/IT person.
[] No, it's not "abuse by consumers NOW", but the abuse by some consumers under a single payer government insurance scam - ah - I mean program.
Oh, aren't you funny, not! You don't think there is consumer abuse now, under our system. While the 'big-time' "waste, fraud and abuse" generally comes from a few (please take note of that word few) providers, I can also tell you stories of consumer abuse. Some people just like to game the system.
[] As a former recipient of the glorious Socialist health care system for paupers (i.e, poor), I can vouch that it is (expletive deleted) bad. The bone specialist who put a cast on my young child's broken leg put it on WRONG. Of course, he was on-call, and it was a holiday - perhaps he was DRINKING.
You don't think that doesn't happen under our system, too? Google "news of the weird", or "medical mistakes", you'll find plenty of examples of the wrong extremity cut off, the wrong kidney removed, etc, right here in the good ol' USA. []

I may lack a complete knowledge of the health care profession, but I think your attack represents an intense reaction from what you've read. Does it hit too close to home?

Again, are you a psychiatrist? No, I do not favor some libertarian return to snake oil salesmen type health care. Yes, I support standards for health care providers, educational and otherwise. You want to offer discounts to providers with lower GPAs, then complain about someone putting on a cast wrong?

[] The difference between a government mandated monopoly and competing medical treatment systems is not "going back to snake-oil".... unless you're part of the Allopathic special interest group.
You ARE part of allopathy, aren't you?

I am an RN. You have every right, under any kind of health care system, to not avail yourself of it and treat yourself with bat-s*** if you so choose. Most of us would rather our health care providers have studied, well, health care.

[] Life expectancy and medical care are sometimes inversely proportional, when "physician imposed" harm is involved.
Iatrogenic:
Due to the action of a physician or a therapy the doctor prescribed.
Iatrogenesis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In the United States, from 120,000 to 225,000 deaths per year may be attributed in some part to iatrogenesis.
[] In case you misread the post, I stated that the government would be the records keeper for all who have established their credentials, via testing and training, to perform more complicated medical services. I do not hold with the notion that care givers be required to have a license to kill.
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Originally Posted by jetgraphics View Post
Infant Mortality and Life Expectancy for Selected Countries, 2007 — Infoplease.com
Infant death (per 1000 births)
U.S.A..... 6.4
U.K........ 5
Canada...4.6
OMG - 1.4 MORE than U.K.!!!!

Yes, 28% higher than in the UK, 39% higher than Canada.

However, in contrast with other nations, that statistic is not impressive.
South Africa ... 59
Russia .......11
Mexico.......19 (Hmmm, perhaps that is why they seek to have anchor babies in the USA - higher change of living?)

Showing your race card, I see.

Angola.....184
China.......22.1
Brazil.......27.6

Life expectancy
U.S.A.......78
U.K..........78.4
OMG - 0.4 years more life if in the U.K.!
Canada....80.3

Switzerland .. 80.6
S.Korea..........77.2
First of all, you cherry picked your statistics for the UHC countries, and secondly, you obviously do not understand statistics if you feel these are meaningless.
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