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Old 07-19-2012, 09:23 AM
 
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The sad fact of the matter is that while Mugabe doesn't have a lot of support within Zimbabwe, for very good reason, a lot of continental Africans do admire him because of how he kicked out white farmers. He is still idolized in many countries because of this. I am Ghanaian and know many Ghanaians who admire and respect this man in spite of his dictatorial ways.
It's fairly easy to love the butcher when the cleaver isn't poised to strike you.


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I see Mugabe for the evil autocrat that he is but I resent all of the non-Africans in this thread who are suggesting we turn the other cheek and be good. Please believe Europeans have set the tone for our future relations and you have no one to blame but themselves. And no, whites living in Africa will never be African.
How's that working so far?
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Old 07-19-2012, 11:24 AM
 
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How's that working so far?
Why don't you ask the Europeans who got their land seized...I'm not one of them. I'm Ghanaian.

It would more appropriate, of course, to ask a Zimbabwean. But we both know you don't truly give a damn how we (Africans) are doing.
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Old 07-19-2012, 11:30 AM
 
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My point is that generational hatred is pointless. No one has ever profited from biting the hand that feeds them and, ultimately, the concept of petitioning the U.N. for constant bailouts without constraints has been unsuccessful. My evidence for this is the current state of 70% of African nations.
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Old 07-21-2012, 09:05 AM
 
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Zimbabwe not so "ruined" for everyone. Here is a little bit of good news:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/21/wo...ning.html?_r=1
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Old 07-21-2012, 09:14 AM
 
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Zimbabwe not so "ruined" for everyone. Here is a little bit of good news:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/21/wo...ning.html?_r=1

I wonder if food production is making a comeback.
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Old 07-21-2012, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Native Floridian, USA
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Africa can unite and become a great super power. If it wishes- The oppression and cruelty by colonialism has left one crippling by product- Intense hatred of all that is white...This is the real curse of the whites who were evil- Once they induce hatred and it becomes an inner spiritual sickness......You are ruined for generations- A person in hate- can only bring about suffering to others and destruction of themselves- stop teaching your children to hate- It is like chopping off their hands and feet..You do your child and the next generation a dis- service- Forget the scars of the past...stop looking at them and move forward.
I agree with this. Stop teaching the children to hate. It is vicious circle and never really accomplishes anything good or fosters the ability to move forward.

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I don't mean to sound naive but if colonialism was so evil and 100% responsible for all the ills that the African continent now suffers, how come colonialism in other parts of the world has NOT resulted in this same situation? You don't see these kinds of problems in Hong Kong, Singapore, the Caribbean or parts of the Mediterranean. What is so different about Africa? And why is it always someone else's fault? Did anyone hold a gun to Mugabe's head and force him to be the dictator he is? Did anyone force Idi Amin or the Hutu in Rwanda? You can say these were a result of colonialism but those people could just as easily have decided NOT to behave like monsters. At what point do these oppressors take responsibility for their own actions and choices?
This is an excellent point. I sometimes think there is too much of the victim mentality and the need to blame others in the African personality. It's always someone elses fault and the solution is to maim and kill.

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My point is that generational hatred is pointless. No one has ever profited from biting the hand that feeds them and, ultimately, the concept of petitioning the U.N. for constant bailouts without constraints has been unsuccessful. My evidence for this is the current state of 70% of African nations.
I want to see Africa succeed in becoming the countries that they should be. I know there is still oppression going on from other races but, education, perverence and hard work is the key. When a country sinks into violence, hatred, and murder, no one takes them seriously. The corruption in some African nations is incredible. Who is to blame for that ? Stealing food that is intended for famine victims, withholding it or selling it on the black market....their own people do that. Just as Africans were sold into American slavery by their own leaders. There is still generational slavery in Africa as we speak.

Africa need to move into the 21st century. I wonder can it as a whole ? I hope so.
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Old 07-21-2012, 09:37 AM
 
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I went to give Chris Balducci (sp) a rep for a post and I see he no longer a member. What a shame. I thought he had something to offer.
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Old 07-21-2012, 10:25 AM
 
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Does Zimbabwe have a stock exchange? Anyone know how the companies are structured over there?
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Old 07-21-2012, 11:50 AM
 
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They would have been better off under colonial rule in the long run ... look at some of the remaining British colonies like Bermuda or the Cayman Islands, they are largely self governing (except for things like defense, foreign affairs, citizenship, court of final appeals, etc).

A recent poll indicated that 77% of Bermudans (about 2/3 of whom are Black) are opposed to independence. Polling in the Cayman Islands, the British Virgin Islands, Montserrat, etc has shown similar figures.
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Old 07-23-2012, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Poshawa, Ontario
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The sad fact of the matter is that while Mugabe doesn't have a lot of support within Zimbabwe, for very good reason, a lot of continental Africans do admire him because of how he kicked out white farmers. He is still idolized in many countries because of this. I am Ghanaian and know many Ghanaians who admire and respect this man in spite of his dictatorial ways.
This is the reason Africa will always struggle in all areas of advancement; they seem to be unable to see past colour and look at corrupt lunatics like Mugabe for what they really are. When Mugabe caused a famine by killing the white farmers and turning their land over to blacks who had no experience in agriculture, the black Africans lauded him with accolades despite the fact they were starving in the street as a result. This is the equivalent of America looking back at the economic collapse in 2008 and lauding Wall Street for using taxpayers money to make a comeback despite the entire country suffering massively as a result.
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