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Old 09-20-2014, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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They need protein and there are few affordable sources of it, what do folks expect?
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Old 09-20-2014, 03:32 PM
 
Location: London, UK
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Watch Escape To Chimp Eden, to see why its wrong. They literally rip the baby chimps from their moms, and kill the parents. They either leave the helpless babies alone, or sell them as "pets". Some of these emotional damaged baby chimps have been chained up for over 20 years. They are starved, shaved, beaten and teased. Eugene, the man from this show, rescues these poor creatures.

I've never seen such animal cruelty as shown on E.T.C.E. Some of them have never set foot on dirt or grass, climbed a tree or seen another chimp. Nothing sadder than to see a chimp scared to death of grass. Chimps are way too smart and emotional to be treated this way. The horrors they suffer stay with them for a lifetime. This, imo, is way different than killing an animal that was raised for food.
Yeah that's so sad but have you seen those chicken barns? Oh oh have you heard of veal?
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Old 09-21-2014, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Somewhere on the Moon.
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Watch Escape To Chimp Eden, to see why its wrong. They literally rip the baby chimps from their moms, and kill the parents. They either leave the helpless babies alone, or sell them as "pets". Some of these emotional damaged baby chimps have been chained up for over 20 years. They are starved, shaved, beaten and teased. Eugene, the man from this show, rescues these poor creatures.

I've never seen such animal cruelty as shown on E.T.C.E. Some of them have never set foot on dirt or grass, climbed a tree or seen another chimp. Nothing sadder than to see a chimp scared to death of grass. Chimps are way too smart and emotional to be treated this way. The horrors they suffer stay with them for a lifetime. This, imo, is way different than killing an animal that was raised for food.
Haven't you ever seen the Animal Planet or National Geographic channels?







I know some people that would frown on the previous type of videos, but applaud the following one:



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Old 09-22-2014, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Maui County, HI
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Haven't you ever seen the Animal Planet or National Geographic channels?



I know some people that would frown on the previous type of videos, but applaud the following one:



Killing isn't the same as cruelty. Torturing a chimpanzee for its entire life is not anywhere close to eating a chimpanzee.

Something is severely wrong with you if you don't understand the difference. Either you're a sociopath or just have a very low IQ.
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Old 10-28-2014, 10:21 PM
 
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You need to be careful with what things you eat. This is why EBOLA and other diseases spread!

Smh
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Old 12-13-2014, 06:30 PM
 
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The more likely reason Africans are told not to eat bushmeat. The Western world largely believes Africans are out hunting every last animal to extinction, and eating great apes and gorillas. To a point they are partly correct. However, most hunters know, if they shoot too many animals today, that they will starve tomorrow.

The African plains are big and provide an abundant resource to enjoy properly. Destroying animal natural habitat is not in Africa's long term best interests.
Switching to domesticated live stock is a poor idea. Confined livestocks overgraze areas instead of naturally migrating. Further fencing and defending domestic livestock prevents wild animals from movement. The result is an ever smaller area for wild animals that overgraze.

In the long run all lands in Africa will be destroyed.

When a Westerner thumbs his nose at perfectly healthy lean bushmeat, gentlely turn his ignorant head to look at Brazil. There, all the rainforest are being chopped away so he can enjoy his cheap beef burgers.

After felling all the trees and destroying all the wildlife, that land supports cattle grazing just a few years. Then, the land is ruined.

Now about this Ebola thing. Yes it is scary and deadly. Westerners are running around claiming it is from bushmeat.

However, do you know they are not telling you one big fact. Dogs. Yes dogs. 156 dogs tested positive for Ebola antigens. That means at one point these dogs had active Ebola viruses swimming in their bodies. 31.8% of dogs near an outbreak were positive.

We all know dogs are running around eating every bit of rotting raw meat and then licking the faces of children.

People are a kazillion bazillion times more likely to get Ebola from a dog than a fully cooked lean piece of bushmeat.

Okay what to do.
I
1. Talk.
2. Look.
3. Question.
4. Meet.
5. Ask what best preserves healthy animals for Africa's future?
6. Broadcast conclusions.
7. Act.
8. If it has a hand kind of like yours, it is not bushmeat.

Now over to you Jackie
You are right to say that no particular bushmeat hunter sets out to kill every animal of a species, and indeed many may limit their take to try to ensure a future population. The problem is this cannot work in places with any significant human population.

This is a case of the problem that economists term "the tragedy of the commons." This is based on the commons of English towns where anyone could allow his livestock to graze. The problem was everyone allowed their livestock to grace there because it was free so the commons were always empty of grass from overgrazing.

IE even if every hunter limits his take the aggregate effect of all the hunters will reduce the prey species to an unsustainably low population once the population of hunters rises high enough. The world has seen this most explicitly with depletion of whaling stocks and elephants for the ivory trade, but it has occurred many time in world history. In the US alone the white tail deer population was nearly wiped out twice due to every hunter being allowed to self limit his take. This is why most countries try to limit the number of animals taken in a year as a country or at the very least over a large geographical area instead of allowing each individual to limit himself outside of a broader context.
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