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Old 07-15-2016, 12:41 PM
 
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I think almost every ethnic group suffers from stereotypes. But some stereotypes are worse than others. Regarding this topic, being athletic is not as "valuable" as being intelligent.
In today's knowledge-based economy, being smart is what counts. Being an athlete gets popularity and money. However, athletes have a relatively short shelf life. Programmers, scientists,etc, they can stay at it longer. When one is perceived as not very bright in this economy, the price being paid is higher. Being regarded as athletic is only good if sports is what you're after. If it's the corporate world, computer world, other other intellectual things, being perceived as intelligent is where it counts.
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Old 07-15-2016, 10:02 PM
 
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Huh? Where did I say that they don't take their talent seriously?! Of course they practice hard. But I am not sure they practice harder than whites in the same sports.

Brazilians are mostly lured to soccer, the dominating sport there. A sport that is all but missing in the US, where they have three big sports instead, and blacks are overly represented in basketball and football as well if I am not mistaken. Not sure about baseball.

The reasons why blacks are over-represented here and there are manifold. The point is, they are. And I am simply wondering if that hurts black people's reputation...
How in the world would winning/excelling at what you do and being the envy of the world in doing so hurt their reputation? That has to be the most backwards logic I've come across in the forums so far. No offense, but I've only seen jealous haters ponder the types of things you're pondering now.
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Old 07-15-2016, 11:08 PM
 
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Probably, but - at least in Europe - blacks are not famous for being doctors or scientists. Basically we only perceive them as asylum seekers or athletes. And their success in sports keeps that image alive.


I was going through the LinkedIn profiles of many of my Caribbean and African American colleagues who live in the USA. The vast majority are IT professionals, business owners (mainly professional services) and similar activities. A fair number in real estate. Many others in various consulting activities.


I have over 300 folks and one can add thousands of others if one looked at the LinkedIn profiles of those in my networks.


This in the USA that you al Europeans love to claim is so racist.


The fact that blacks in Europe can only run or sweep the streets says more about Europe than it does about blacks.


And when I say Europe I don't mean the UK as my profiles include some based there, and they are almost as successful.
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Old 07-16-2016, 09:34 AM
 
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How in the world would winning/excelling at what you do and being the envy of the world in doing so hurt their reputation? That has to be the most backwards logic I've come across in the forums so far. No offense, but I've only seen jealous haters ponder the types of things you're pondering now.
You don't get the point. I am not envious of athletes at all, I would hate it if people expected me to be good at sports just because I am black. That is pseudo-positive racism.
I am German myself. Wherever I have gone so far, people have assumed I am into technology, engineering or something like that, simply because I am German. If I were exactly the same person, but were a Portuguese citizen and said so, people would not associate me with leading technology etc. They might even think I am less intelligent.


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I was going through the LinkedIn profiles of many of my Caribbean and African American colleagues who live in the USA. The vast majority are IT professionals, business owners (mainly professional services) and similar activities. A fair number in real estate. Many others in various consulting activities.


I have over 300 folks and one can add thousands of others if one looked at the LinkedIn profiles of those in my networks.


This in the USA that you al Europeans love to claim is so racist.


The fact that blacks in Europe can only run or sweep the streets says more about Europe than it does about blacks.


And when I say Europe I don't mean the UK as my profiles include some based there, and they are almost as successful.
What is the logic behind your argument? LinkedIn is a site for professionals. Of course the blacks you find there have the same kinds of jobs that whites or Asians on LinkedIn have.
It's as if I went to, say, a vegetarianism website. Of course all black people on that site would be vegetarians. But does that mean that black people are known for being vegetarians? Certainly not, to the contrary.
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Old 07-16-2016, 10:54 AM
 
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What is the logic behind your argument? LinkedIn is a site for professionals. Of course the blacks you find there have the same kinds of jobs that whites or Asians on LinkedIn have.
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My point is that thousands of successful blacks can easily be found in the USA, Canada and the UK. So if that isn't true for the rest of Europe then its on Europe, not on blacks.

Any one in the USA who has a limited notion of what blacks are doesn't turn on the TV. The role of judge on TV is almost a black female role.
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Old 07-16-2016, 10:57 AM
 
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My point is that thousands of successful blacks can easily be found in the USA, Canada and the UK. So if that isn't true for the rest of Europe then its on Europe, not on blacks.

Any one in the USA who has a limited notion of what blacks are doesn't turn on the TV. The role of judge on TV is almost a black female role.
And I never said anything else. I never said there are no black intellectuals etc.
We are talking about image, perception, etc. here...
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Old 07-16-2016, 02:57 PM
 
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You don't get the point. I am not envious of athletes at all, I would hate it if people expected me to be good at sports just because I am black. That is pseudo-positive racism.
I am German myself. Wherever I have gone so far, people have assumed I am into technology, engineering or something like that, simply because I am German. If I were exactly the same person, but were a Portuguese citizen and said so, people would not associate me with leading technology etc. They might even think I am less intelligent.
So, they'd think you're less intelligent for excelling in a field (or assuming that you excel), whatever it is? I repeat that this is the most backwards logic that I've read in the forums to date.

And, fine, you don't have to be envious of the athletes . . . but you obviously think that their accomplishments may be lesser for the reasons you provided (you're the opposite of envious . . . you're looking down on success or coming awfully close to doing so, which is perhaps even more illogical and ridiculous). But, without question, they excel and are masters at what they do. Why in the world would rational people look down on them for excelling in their field?
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Old 07-16-2016, 03:22 PM
 
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So, they'd think you're less intelligent for excelling in a field (or assuming that you excel), whatever it is? I repeat that this is the most backwards logic that I've read in the forums to date.

And, fine, you don't have to be envious of the athletes . . . but you obviously think that their accomplishments may be lesser for the reasons you provided (you're the opposite of envious . . . you're looking down on success or coming awfully close to doing so, which is perhaps even more illogical and ridiculous). But, without question, they excel and are masters at what they do. Why in the world would rational people look down on them for excelling in their field?
Again, you don't get the point. You just don't like my message, so you are trying to shoot the messenger.

And yes, of course inventing something scientific is a greater accomplishment than running 100 meters as fast as possible. Intelligence is of utmost importance in the modern world and you don't really need to be intelligent to be fast or jump far. Sports is just a superficial luxury, entertainment of the masses. There is no real substance to it, albeit a lot of money. When you develop a new technology, it can change the world forever, but even if you run 100 meters in 3 seconds, you will be in the news for a few days, and then you will be forgotten and attention returns to what really matters.
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Old 07-16-2016, 06:01 PM
 
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Again, you don't get the point. You just don't like my message, so you are trying to shoot the messenger.

And yes, of course inventing something scientific is a greater accomplishment than running 100 meters as fast as possible. Intelligence is of utmost importance in the modern world and you don't really need to be intelligent to be fast or jump far. Sports is just a superficial luxury, entertainment of the masses. There is no real substance to it, albeit a lot of money. When you develop a new technology, it can change the world forever, but even if you run 100 meters in 3 seconds, you will be in the news for a few days, and then you will be forgotten and attention returns to what really matters.
No, I get your point, and I don't like your message. But that's because it's rather illogical. And this isn't about comparing/deciding which accomplishments are greater, but about belittling/downplaying superior performance within a particular field, which is nonsensical. Again, and I fully understand where you are coming from, it's beyond bizarre to question one's talent when one is dominating in one's chosen field, regardless of whether you feel like one didn't have to work hard in order to come to dominate that field. Some people have seem to grasp certain concepts much more quickly than others, but it's bizzare and unreasonable to make light of this talent because of that...simply because others don't have the same abilities.
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Old 07-16-2016, 07:11 PM
 
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Sorry, but it is not only my message. What I am saying is that it would be better for blacks to abandon sports and focus on science, engineering etc. instead.

Look at these numbers for instance:
Asian workers now dominate Silicon Valley tech jobs - San Jose Mercury News

Only 2.3% of Silicon Valley employees are AA, and the percentage is decreasing further. That's an image catastrophe in my view.
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