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I go by how the masses live. Is there a viable middle class? I'm not seeing that in many of the cities mentioned but hey I supposedly hate black people or something. So never mind me.
Accusing you of hating black people and being racist is the go-to insult for a lot of posters in the African section. Apparently you're not allowed to hold African and African Americans accountable for some of the self-inflicted problems we have without also blaming magical outside forces. You're also not allowed to hold conservative views of self-advancement and independence without long term welfare or support for liberal policies.
It's a a sad case of self-perpetuating victim mentality that will keep this race from social progression for a very long time.
Basically, we're too lazy, stupid, and weak to overcome our tragic past so all black people are therefor cursed for the foreseeable future until all the world government come together and hand us our owed reparations.
Accusing you of hating black people and being racist is the go-to insult for a lot of posters in the African section. Apparently you're not allowed to hold African and African Americans accountable for some of the self-inflicted problems we have without also blaming magical outside forces. You're also not allowed to hold conservative views of self-advancement and independence without long term welfare or support for liberal policies.
It's a a sad case of self-perpetuating victim mentality that will keep this race from social progression for a very long time.
Basically, we're too lazy, stupid, and weak to overcome our tragic past so all black people are therefor cursed for the foreseeable future until all the world government come together and hand us our owed reparations.
No, telling Africans who live in Africa that Africa is poor is the problem. Everyone here knows Africa is poor but for some reason when people try to discuss improvements in Africa and discuss positive things, their are always naysayers saying obvious things like: their is no viable middle class etcetera. Your actually being the one pushing the victim mentality. chiatadal is only trying to discuss how African cities can improve and develop and you have EdwardA talking about, "Africa is poor", no just because we post pictures of development in African cities doesn't suddenly mean we forget a coutnry is poor. At this point it's like someone talking about how greatly NYC is developing or new development planned there and then someone yelling, "The Bronx is poor", that's besides the point. EdwardA hates Africans because he has never posted a positive thing about Africa in his entire history of posting here. IT doesn't matter if he is black he clearly hates Africans as he jumps in a thread were positive conversation is going and tries to derail it. You are doing the same. The only person contributing is cebuan and chiatadal in the discussion of how African cities can progress.
If your not going to talk about the emerging African cities like this thread is actually about then please go take your anti-African narrative elsewhere as it isn't needed.
No one actually brought up Colonialism till you two started posting here, and no one said anything about the world government funding Africa.
The fact is, you never said anything. You presented a bunch of photos of buildings and let those photos do your talking. They were just exterior walls of buildings, which may or may not have had anybody doing anything inside. What are all those Africans doing inside those buildings, that is useful or productive to those cities or those countries or the citizens thereof?
You made yourself a strawman by never presenting yourself as anything else.
Tell us what, in your opinion, a "city" is , and what it is supposed to be and how does one judge if a city is developing in the right direction and how that can be measured. Then, we'll come back with thoughtful comments in line with your position. Until then, we take ourn own position, on the unannnotated material you presented.
Do you even understand what a straw man is? A straw man is when some one arguing against there own position that they want counter in stead of anything to do with what the other debator points is.
Your point is over how a city feel urban which minds are not, Even if I tell what I feel is urban, that still irrlavent because these cities are going to grow regardless. My point is because these cities are growing what are there doing? What there there plans?.......
You are not sharing plans, projects, News and etc about these cities, Yes it could be a skyscraper but it's not limited to that it could be smaller buildings, roads, trasits, there airports, utilities, it could be a large or small projects, it doesn't matter. And if don't like a project say you don't like a project. It's not for me decide what is right direction to you that what make conversation interesting.
The straw man you inject is,,, these are you words " That cities are getting better, or worse, by some criteria that you imagine to be an indicator of the quality or the character or a symptom of urbanity?" that is call as straw man.
This was the OP
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African will have the fastest growing population growth rate the next 50 years, In addition to that Africa has the 2nd urbanization growth behind Asia.
This means Africa is going to have rapid growing cities, Currently Africa has 3 Megacities cities above 3 million Lagos, Cairo, and Kinshasa, but in decades to come. Dar es Salaam, Luanda, Nairobi, Johannesburg and a few others are projected to join. This is in addition to midsize cities that are expected to grow rapidly.
This brings a lot of challenges, With this being the city data forums as you know there's a lot of discussions over Transportation, urban development, Skylines, Architecture, Economic growth, Culture of cities. There seems to be a huge absent of discussion about urban Africa. So I wanted to make a thread for urban Africa. So post about developments, challenges, Culture and Architecture of urban Africa
"urbanization" just means growth, it doesn't mean the city will be full of skyscapers,
Accusing you of hating black people and being racist is the go-to insult for a lot of posters in the African section. Apparently you're not allowed to hold African and African Americans accountable for some of the self-inflicted problems we have without also blaming magical outside forces. You're also not allowed to hold conservative views of self-advancement and independence without long term welfare or support for liberal policies.
It's a a sad case of self-perpetuating victim mentality that will keep this race from social progression for a very long time.
Basically, we're too lazy, stupid, and weak to overcome our tragic past so all black people are therefor cursed for the foreseeable future until all the world government come together and hand us our owed reparations.
I wonder why your Accused of things it's not like you do nothing but post hateful post about Black people or anything
Anyways This post so weird, and 100% off topic, do not bring this into this thread
And my answer was that, from my observation, African cities are not evolving the same way they do in other cultural and economic environments. So you are immediately veering off in the wrong direction by expecting them to and trying to compare them with non-African models, or measuring them by non-African criteria. An African "city" is a creature quite different from the global model of urbanization. Kinshasa is never going to be Sao Paulo or Jakarta or Moscow, no matter how many international experts are flown in to design their skyscrapers or freeways or Olympic venues or world fairs or airports. What you call "projects".
You can't just set Vancouver down in Burkina Faso and expect to fill up with five million Africans and become another Vancouver..
No, the country economically was in shambles. If 3,000 people benefit from minerals being transported and all that is built is a road or railway to were the minerals are that isn't economic prosperity. It's a lie that any country got worse after colonialism. Life expectancy for Africans didn't drop from 50 to 40 and then climbed back up to 60 today. Your romanticizing a system that actually didn't benefit anybody except for an elite class of people. Congo might have been one of the most "industrial" country's in Africa at the time, but it is certainly more developed now than it was 50 years ago. A railway through a jungle and a few factories isn't an industrial country. The funny thing is industry as in industrial buildings) and paved roads don't suddenly disappear. It's not like Congo was an easy country to cross during colonial times.
That's a sociological argument. The reality is the natives couldn't even dream of organizing an industrial economy which as we are seeing today is still the case. It is not more developed then colonial times by any objective measure. You can't just make up facts.
No, telling Africans who live in Africa that Africa is poor is the problem. Everyone here knows Africa is poor but for some reason when people try to discuss improvements in Africa and discuss positive things, their are always naysayers saying obvious things like: their is no viable middle class etcetera. Your actually being the one pushing the victim mentality. chiatadal is only trying to discuss how African cities can improve and develop and you have EdwardA talking about, "Africa is poor", no just because we post pictures of development in African cities doesn't suddenly mean we forget a coutnry is poor. At this point it's like someone talking about how greatly NYC is developing or new development planned there and then someone yelling, "The Bronx is poor", that's besides the point. EdwardA hates Africans because he has never posted a positive thing about Africa in his entire history of posting here. IT doesn't matter if he is black he clearly hates Africans as he jumps in a thread were positive conversation is going and tries to derail it. You are doing the same. The only person contributing is cebuan and chiatadal in the discussion of how African cities can progress.
If your not going to talk about the emerging African cities like this thread is actually about then please go take your anti-African narrative elsewhere as it isn't needed.
No one actually brought up Colonialism till you two started posting here, and no one said anything about the world government funding Africa.
Sir, there are Nigerians running to Canada at such a level that the Canadians are begging the USA to stop issuing visas to Nigerians. I go by what people do not what they are saying.
And my answer was that, from my observation, African cities are not evolving the same way they do in other cultural and economic environments. So you are immediately veering off in the wrong direction by expecting them to and trying to compare them with non-African models, or measuring them by non-African criteria. An African "city" is a creature quite different from the global model of urbanization. Kinshasa is never going to be Sao Paulo or Jakarta or Moscow, no matter how many international experts are flown in to design their skyscrapers or freeways or Olympic venues or world fairs or airports. What you call "projects".
You can't just set Vancouver down in Burkina Faso and expect to fill up with five million Africans and become another Vancouver..
This is true because international experts don't produce great cities, common people do, organically and organized by good leaders and visionaries.
No, telling Africans who live in Africa that Africa is poor is the problem. Everyone here knows Africa is poor but for some reason when people try to discuss improvements in Africa and discuss positive things, their are always naysayers saying obvious things like: their is no viable middle class etcetera. Your actually being the one pushing the victim mentality. chiatadal is only trying to discuss how African cities can improve and develop and you have EdwardA talking about, "Africa is poor", no just because we post pictures of development in African cities doesn't suddenly mean we forget a coutnry is poor. At this point it's like someone talking about how greatly NYC is developing or new development planned there and then someone yelling, "The Bronx is poor", that's besides the point. EdwardA hates Africans because he has never posted a positive thing about Africa in his entire history of posting here. IT doesn't matter if he is black he clearly hates Africans as he jumps in a thread were positive conversation is going and tries to derail it. You are doing the same. The only person contributing is cebuan and chiatadal in the discussion of how African cities can progress.
If your not going to talk about the emerging African cities like this thread is actually about then please go take your anti-African narrative elsewhere as it isn't needed.
No one actually brought up Colonialism till you two started posting here, and no one said anything about the world government funding Africa.
I'm just correcting delusions. I've posted some positive African stories but there's little to be positive about.
Accusing you of hating black people and being racist is the go-to insult for a lot of posters in the African section. Apparently you're not allowed to hold African and African Americans accountable for some of the self-inflicted problems we have without also blaming magical outside forces. You're also not allowed to hold conservative views of self-advancement and independence without long term welfare or support for liberal policies.
It's a a sad case of self-perpetuating victim mentality that will keep this race from social progression for a very long time.
Basically, we're too lazy, stupid, and weak to overcome our tragic past so all black people are therefor cursed for the foreseeable future until all the world government come together and hand us our owed reparations.
Most blacks wherever we are argue emotively. We are also impressed by shiny things. So if we see a celebrity or a mansion in Africa or Haiti the meme is "see not everyone in Africa is poor!'. As if having a tiny elite that lives like Saudi sheikhs is some sort of accomplishment as millions more subsist on $1.25 a day.
The few blacks that argue logically and point out these contradictions tend to be shouted down as haters, lovers of whites etc.
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