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I came across this info on a skull found in South Africa. It's called the Hofmeyr skull. It's been dated 36,000 years ago. According to researchers the skull isn't related to any Black Africans but shows more relation to Eurasian peoples. It's believed that this skull is related to the ancestors of Eurasian/Middle Eastern people.
So far the oldest skull representing an early modern black African is the Asselar skull found in west Africa. It's been dated to 6,400 years ago.
Does this suggests that the physical makeup of early Africans was more diverse than many realize? If the skull info of those two skulls are accurate does this show that black Africans aren't as old as many have assumed?
I want to add this. It's related to stone age diversity of African people. I think it's related to the info in my third link.
This is a presentation by Shomarka Keita. He takes questions from a guy about Mediterranean looking people in Egypt. Take note of the Elizabeth Taylor part. It's about diverse people,other than black Africans,originating in Africa.
Yes. Who else could possible predate the most genetically dominant people on Earth. Certainly not genetically recessive people. Melanin is a substance that you are born with, and you can never ever gain. A population that lacks carbon based melanin (as opposed to sulfur based) therefore could have never birthed humanity.
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I came across this info on a skull found in South Africa. It's called the Hofmeyr skull. It's been dated 36,000 years ago. According to researchers the skull isn't related to any Black Africans
Well the Nazlet Khater skull is the oldest anatomically modern human found in Egypt, and it is of course of a black "negroid" individual. This skull dates to around 35,000 BC.
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but shows more relation to Eurasian peoples. It's believed that this skull is related to the ancestors of Eurasian/Middle Eastern people.
Essentially non black Africans are a subset of a subset of indigenous black African diversity. Over 90% of the human genome rest within the various distinct black African populations.
Dr Spencer Wells, Harvard evolutionary geneticist: "There is more genetic diversity in any single African village than in the whole world outside Africa."
The notion of another population coming before the original man, the black man is a form of comedy perhaps? Everything from DNA to physical anthropology confirms that black Africans came before any other population.
"In addition, craniometric variation also shows agreement with genetic data in showing highest levels of diversity in sub-Saharan Africa than in other geographic regions (Relethford and Harpending, 1994). Further, there is a clear decline in levels of craniometric variation as geographic distance from East Africa increases (Manica et al., 2007; von Cramon-Taubadel and Lycett, 2008; Betti et al., 2009)."
-- John H. Relethford* (2010). Population-Specific Deviations of Global Human Craniometric Variation From a Neutral Model. AMERICAN JOURNAL OF PHYSICAL ANTHROPOLOGY 2010
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So far the oldest skull representing an early modern black African is the Asselar skull found in west Africa. It's been dated to 6,400 years ago.
The issue that you're having is your huge assumption that people in and or dominate West Africa (Niger-Congo Speakers) today have always lived in or dominated West Africa. E1b1a is the defining paternal marker of contemporary West African populations, but according to aDNA studies this not always been the case. The oldest finding of E1b1a is not in West Africa, but in Dynastic Kemet with Ramses III and his son. E1b1a affinities have also been found in earlier pharaohs. The oldest remains in West Africa are Twa people (whom Europeans renamed "pygmies"), and this is something that has been known since at least the 1970's as noted by C.A. Diop.
As you can read, C.A. Diop and many other scholars say that the Niger-Congo speaking populations who NOW dominate West, Central and Southern Africa originated in Northeast Africa inhabiting the civilizations of Nubia and Kemet. Again this is not "new". This observation was apparently obvious even before the advent of genetics. Through cultural observation alone it was obvious to the non biased European scholars that the peoples of West Africa today came from and carried the traditions of ancient Kemet.
"personal library and his own direct knowledge of the Ashantis, wrote An Essay on the
Superstitions, Customs, and Arts, Common to the Ancient Egyptians, Abyssinians, and Ashantees, in
which he argued that Egyptian civilization was diffused via Ethiopia **to the West Coast
of Africa.**" - Black skin White Skull
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Does this suggests that the physical makeup of early Africans was more diverse than many realize?
If by "more diverse" you mean different types of black African races then perhaps. None black Africans did not exist on this planet until around 6,000 years ago.
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If the skull info of those two skulls are accurate does this show that black Africans aren't as old as many have assumed?
You say black Africans...as though there is only one type of black African. Black diversity is just about all of humanity. The various races of black Africans predate all non black Africans, and that's not up for debate. Simply conjecture from some folks who want to be hold outs to OOA.
South Africa is the home of humanity;
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This is a presentation by Shomarka Keita. He takes questions from a guy about Mediterranean looking people in Egypt. Take note of the Elizabeth Taylor part. It's about diverse people,other than black Africans,originating in Africa.
Well yeah. People like Elizabeth are genetically recessive. Yes we have always had individuals who are genetically recessive with blond/red hair and blue/green eyes within the African population.
Ethiopian Albinos
Dravidian Albinos (who are also from Africa and whom "whites" are genetically closest to)
These people with said features are what we call albinos. This is a natural occurrence that is within the realms of African physical diversity. Now are there entire tribes of people comprised of genetically recessive individuals besides the Indo-Europeans who lived in the Caucus mountains? No. Prior to the movement of the Indo-Europeans from the Caucus there was no peoples collectively with this phenotype.
Why doesn't the Hofmeyr skull match up with any Black Africans?
The Hofmeyr person could be representing tan skinned Caucasian peoples. Not all Caucasians are white Europeans. Tan skinned peoples in the middle east and North Africa are classified as Caucasian.
I don't believe the oldest Black African ancestor came about only 6,400 years ago, when my Y haplogroup originated from a man that lived just under 17,000 years ago, very likely coalesced in West Africa. 60% of African American men are said to have the haplogroup E-M180(aka E-M2/E1b1a) or its subclades, peaking with ethnic groups like the Bamileke, Ewe, Yoruba, and Mandikas, at a frequency of 90% or more. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-M2
My maternal haplogroup, on the other end, is relatively young (less than 6,000 years old).
I don't believe the oldest Black African ancestor came about only 6,400 years ago, when my Y haplogroup originated from a man that lived just under 17,000 years ago, very likely coalesced in West Africa. 60% of African American men are said to have the haplogroup E-M180(aka E-M2/E1b1a) or its subclades, peaking with ethnic groups like the Bamileke, Ewe, Yoruba, and Mandikas, at a frequency of 90% or more. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-M2
My maternal haplogroup, on the other end, is relatively young (less than 6,000 years old).
Yfull Ytree estimates that the all current paternal lineages so far tested that haven't gone extinct meet at about 236,000 years ago. EM2 is actually estimated to have arisen about 39,000 years ago but all surviving branches downstream have a common ancestor who is estimated to have lived 17,000 years ago.
Well yeah. People like Elizabeth are genetically recessive. Yes we have always had individuals who are genetically recessive with blond/red hair and blue/green eyes within the African population.
Ethiopian Albinos
Dravidian Albinos (who are also from Africa and whom "whites" are genetically closest to)
These people with said features are what we call albinos. This is a natural occurrence that is within the realms of African physical diversity. Now are there entire tribes of people comprised of genetically recessive individuals besides the Indo-Europeans who lived in the Caucus mountains? No. Prior to the movement of the Indo-Europeans from the Caucus there was no peoples collectively with this phenotype.
This isn't yet conclusive and the general area seems to point to the Armenian highlands or somewhere near south of the Caucasus mountains. Those mutations that produce lighter pigmentation in European Farmers seem to be connected to a switch to a grain diet. There are other mutations that create lighter pigmentation.
You have no way to illustrate your claim that "Yes we have always had individuals who are genetically recessive with blond/red hair and blue/green eyes within the African population". If so that which exact set of mutations are they are what is the estimated age of those mutations? I'll wait for you to list them. The mutations found in Micronesians that creates those phenotypes isn't found in Africa and Micronesians cluster with Asians and are actually more closely related to Europeans than Africans even though they look more similar to Africans.
What exactly are your claims regarding "the original man" other than he would have to have been very dark. I don't agree with you if your point is populations cannot become more melanated.
Why doesn't the Hofmeyr skull match up with any Black Africans?
That doesn't make any sense. There is no box set for black African physical or genetic variability. You rely totaling on this obsolete predefined typological categorizations for your basic understanding of African biology.
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The Hofmeyr person could be representing tan skinned Caucasian peoples.
What in the World are you talking about? What does a tanned "Caucasian" population look like? What population has set precedent for said classification? Furthermore how can a "Caucasian" person as in a person from the Caucus be indigenous to "Sub Saharan Africa"?
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Not all Caucasians are white Europeans. Tan skinned peoples in the middle east and North Africa are classified as Caucasian.
Those are mulattoes in those regions, who ultimately how recent affinities with so called "Caucasians". North Africa was lightened as a result of the millions of white European Christian women, being brought into the region by the Turkish Moors. This misceginated the original black population of North Africa.
This isn't yet conclusive and the general area seems to point to the Armenian highlands or somewhere near south of the Caucasus mountains.
It is conclusive, and has been known for thousands of years.
What migration put them into the Caucus in the first place?
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Those mutations that produce lighter pigmentation in European Farmers seem to be connected to a switch to a grain diet. There are other mutations that create lighter pigmentation.
There is no evidence that Neolithic farmers had lighter skin color. Those mutations for lighter skin are found in "Sub Saharan Africans" from the Khoi to Bantu speaking populations. That's why it's faulty to see those mutations, and assume that an ancient population was not melaninated. What we find however is this gene;
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You have no way to illustrate your claim that "Yes we have always had individuals who are genetically recessive with blond/red hair and blue/green eyes within the African population".
Who else would S.O.Y Keita be talking about when he mentions those traits being possible in early Africa? There were individuals, but no populations with said phenotype roaming throughout Africa. Is that a safe assumption given the rare occurrence of genetically recessive individuals in black Africans today? Are you really going to argue that entire populations of people roamed Africa with said phenotype?
[/quote] If so that which exact set of mutations are they are what is the estimated age of those mutations?[/quote]
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Micronesians cluster with Asians and are actually more closely related to Europeans than Africans even though they look more similar to Africans.
Non Africans who are a subset of a subset of African genetic diversity are going to relate more with Non Africans than Africans on the continent.
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What exactly are your claims regarding "the original man" other than he would have to have been very dark. I don't agree with you if your point is populations cannot become more melanated.
If melanin could be gained then whites in Australia would not be suffering from exposure to the environment the way that they do. Is there skin color noticeably more darker than continent Europeans or is it simply a tan? Melanin is a divine quality and the most valuable substance in the universe.
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