By 2020, Artificial Intelligence Will Create More Jobs Than It Eliminates (money, power)
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That is correct. All jobs are going to be automated, no matter how much brainpower is needed to do them. Computers, robots, and other machines are able/will be able to do the jobs faster, better, more efficiently, and cheaper than people. People will simply not be needed in any kinds of jobs. The human touch will fade away in the face of labor costs.
No it won't. Get off it already For someone who says they were in IT, you really don't have a grasp of reality when it comes to this subject
No it won't. Get off it already For someone who says they were in IT, you really don't have a grasp of reality when it comes to this subject
Of course I have a grasp of reality on this subject, and so do the automation experts who are also computer-based. They agree that full automation is coming. The more one understands and knows computers, the more one sees that full automation will happen. It is just a natural progression of technology. Simply saying it won't happen is denying the inevitable.
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Of course I have a grasp of reality on this subject, and so do the automation experts who are also computer-based. They agree that full automation is coming. The more one understands and knows computers, the more one sees that full automation will happen. It is just a natural progression of technology. Simply saying it won't happen is denying the inevitable.
automation does not equal AI though...
quote from the article, and why I posted it about it, that technology isn't going to displace people based on "fear" of not having a job
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"Unfortunately, most calamitous warnings of job losses confuse AI with automation — that overshadows the greatest AI benefit — AI augmentation — a combination of human and artificial intelligence, where both complement each other."
quote from the article, and why I posted it about it, that technology isn't going to displace people based on "fear" of not having a job
Yes, that is true. Certainly AI can be used to augment human intelligence, and new jobs can and will be created by 2020 and beyond. The number of human-based jobs could grow in the short term.
But the ultimate aim of automation is to replace people. The problem is that ultimately computers, robots, and other machines can/will be able to do the jobs better and more cheaply than people and that is why employers, who are always eager to save a buck, will gladly replace people with machines as they become available. So the long term prognosis for human-based jobs is not good because of this.
Yes, that is true. Certainly AI can be used to augment human intelligence, and new jobs can and will be created by 2020 and beyond. The number of human-based jobs could grow in the short term.
But the ultimate aim of automation is to replace people. The problem is that ultimately computers, robots, and other machines can/will be able to do the jobs better and more cheaply than people and that is why employers, who are always eager to save a buck, will gladly replace people with machines as they become available. So the long term prognosis for human-based jobs is not good because of this.
So you understand if enough jobs get replaced, those same companies will go bankrupt, right??
Companies depend on people to have an income so people can spend money on their products...
So you understand if enough jobs get replaced, those same companies will go bankrupt, right??
Companies depend on people to have an income so people can spend money on their products...
That is exactly my point as I have repeatedly pointed out on other similar forums. Unfortunately, each individual company does what it thinks is best for them only. Companies do not act in concert with each other and are only interested in themselves. If they save money on labor costs, that is all they care about. As more and more jobs get automated and people get thrown out of work, less and less people will be able to buy goods and services that are produced. The economy will then start to collapse. That is the issue that must be dealt with.
That is exactly my point as I have repeatedly pointed out on other similar forums. Unfortunately, each individual company does what it thinks is best for them only. Companies do not act in concert with each other and are only interested in themselves. If they save money on labor costs, that is all they care about. As more and more jobs get automated and people get thrown out of work, less and less people will be able to buy goods and services that are produced. The economy will then start to collapse. That is the issue that must be dealt with.
You do understand the goverment can just forbid companies to use certain tech in the work place if its hurting society that much, right? If people and companies aren't making money, the country won't be 'earning' tax.
You do understand the goverment can just forbid companies to use certain tech in the work place if its hurting society that much, right? If people and companies aren't making money, the country won't be 'earning' tax.
Yes, the government can do just about anything. But it is not clear what is going to happen. What technologies or jobs will be protected? What jobs are going to be allowed to be automated? How much pushback will there be from corporations and other businesses? Will corporations be enraged and fight like heck when and if the government decides that people are entitled to protection and makes businesses keep or hire people and throw out the machines? Will businesses and powerful corporations be able to influence or force the government not to interfere, resulting in an economic collapse? Or will the government allow automation but force employers to keep their human employees in George Jetson type of jobs where people dont really work but press a button and the work is done for them, and a fig leaf is used to cover the fact that it is really the machines that do the work? Or will the government just take over all businesses and provide the automated goods and services free of charge to all its citizens (socialism)?
There are many things that could happen and this topic interests me immensely. We will see what happens.
Yes, the government can do just about anything. But it is not clear what is going to happen. What technologies or jobs will be protected? What jobs are going to be allowed to be automated? How much pushback will there be from corporations and other businesses? Will corporations be enraged and fight like heck when and if the government decides that people are entitled to protection and makes businesses keep or hire people and throw out the machines? Will businesses and powerful corporations be able to influence or force the government not to interfere, resulting in an economic collapse? Or will the government allow automation but force employers to keep their human employees in George Jetson type of jobs where people dont really work but press a button and the work is done for them, and a fig leaf is used to cover the fact that it is really the machines that do the work? Or will the government just take over all businesses and provide the automated goods and services free of charge to all its citizens (socialism)?
There are many things that could happen and this topic interests me immensely. We will see what happens.
If automation reaches that point, I am sure these details will be worked out.
I don't see why business would be against it because, as you point out, a country without a strong work force will cause business to go bankrupt as well.
They'll see the government's interference as a way for them to survive as well...
Will Companies Do the Right Thing When and If Full Automation Comes?
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If automation reaches that point, I am sure these details will be worked out.
I don't see why business would be against it because, as you point out, a country without a strong work force will cause business to go bankrupt as well.
They'll see the government's interference as a way for them to survive as well...
I am not so sure about business meekly going along with what the government wants to do. Take pollution of the environment for example. For a long time, businesses knew that polluting is a bad thing yet they have done it anyway. It took government regulation to curb that to reasonable levels.
Most businesses don't care about this country and a strong work force. Heck, many of them outsource work to other countries like India, undermining and weakening our workforce here. That is very serious. They don't care about that. All they care about is making money and cutting costs. Most focus on the short term bottom line and not what happens long term.
In my last IT job, my company outsourced jobs heavily to India and the Philippines in a never ending quest to save on labor costs. Recently, it decided that what was left of its US labor force was making too much money, so they started throwing people out right and left and replaced them with cheap, inexperienced workers who were now making about a third of what the original workers were. But upper management never understood that the work being done was so complex that it takes new employees years to become fully productive. The new workers are now floundering, unable to do their jobs properly and there are not enough veteran workers to help them (what is left of these experienced workers - they are on their way out also). The company is now in a death spiral as the company's clients are enraged because the new workers cannot help them properly. New workers are literally crying as they cannot succeed in their jobs. Many are quitting or being fired for incompetence. New workers are hired but the same thing happens. It is a disaster. Probably fatal to the company. I am glad that I took my pension lump sum when I walked out the door.
My point to this is that companies make stupid decisions all the time. The many posts in City Data's Work section attest to that. In my observations and in having about a half dozen jobs during my career, I have seen that there is a strong lack of professionalism, decorum, loyalty, and common sense in the business world. There is also stubborness and outright meanness to workers. Many businesses simply don't know what they are doing, so my confidence level in them is very low concerning that they will do the right thing when and if automation starts to seriously take away people's jobs.
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For someone who says they were in IT, you really don't have a grasp of reality when it comes to this subject
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