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Old 05-10-2023, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Can't be done by software and hardware alone. But combined with robotics, can easily be. Will take awhile though.
No, it will not take a while, it will take centuries to create a robot plumber, most all welders, electricians, bricklayers, carpenters, mechanics, much less replace home construction workers. Unless you are talking about assembly line work, or modular construction, where the work environment is a modular computer generated product.
The day will never come in our lifetime, where a robot shows up to your home to install a new furnace or run water pipes and repair a sewer line in your home.
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Old 05-10-2023, 01:36 PM
 
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But they will be able to do that eventually. And robots can be designed to be more dexterous, more nimble, and far stronger than people. And they will be able to do the job faster, better, and cheaper. It will happen.

That said, it will be quite a while before that happens. Plumber and electrician jobs are quite safe. For now.
So you call 1-800-plumbers and a robot shows up to your door, walks into your home's bathroom or kitchen, and repairs your toilet, sink, garbage disposal, etc...?

I has a plumber show up to replace the plumbing to my bathtub. He and another plumber had to inspect the job, then determine they needed to cut in thru the wall of an adjoining room, to gain access to the pipes, and replace some pipes and fittings. And you think a dexterous robot could do that on its own?
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Old 05-10-2023, 01:42 PM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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But they will be able to do that eventually. And robots can be designed to be more dexterous, more nimble, and far stronger than people. And they will be able to do the job faster, better, and cheaper. It will happen.

That said, it will be quite a while before that happens. Plumber and electrician jobs are quite safe. For now.
They have already put AI into a robotic hand and it was able to solve a Rubik's cube puzzle 60% of the time.

https://openai.com/research/solving-rubiks-cube
We’ve trained a pair of neural networks to solve the Rubik’s Cube with a human-like robot hand. The neural networks are trained entirely in simulation, using the same reinforcement learning code as OpenAI Five paired with a new technique called Automatic Domain Randomization (ADR). The system can handle situations it never saw during training, such as being prodded by a stuffed giraffe. This shows that reinforcement learning isn’t just a tool for virtual tasks, but can solve physical-world problems requiring unprecedented dexterity.
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Old 05-10-2023, 06:14 PM
 
Location: California
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I have a long held belief in "just because you can doesn't mean you should". The biggest change to our society and economic system would be to make a healthy society as important as profit, meaning we find ways to create jobs, not eliminate them. It would probably mean an end to mega corps but they, and everyone else, are doomed anyway if we don't get off this path we're on.
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Old 05-10-2023, 06:17 PM
 
Location: Middle America
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Goodie goodie. The robots can have my job. I'll laugh at them struggling to do it.
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Old 05-10-2023, 09:30 PM
 
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So you call 1-800-plumbers and a robot shows up to your door, walks into your home's bathroom or kitchen, and repairs your toilet, sink, garbage disposal, etc...?

I has a plumber show up to replace the plumbing to my bathtub. He and another plumber had to inspect the job, then determine they needed to cut in thru the wall of an adjoining room, to gain access to the pipes, and replace some pipes and fittings. And you think a dexterous robot could do that on its own?
Certainly, and do it cheaper, better, and faster than a person. A robot could be as small or as big as needed, made out of strong and dexterous material that could get in and out of places easily, with the proper programming to make the right decisions.
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Old 05-10-2023, 09:31 PM
 
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They have already put AI into a robotic hand and it was able to solve a Rubik's cube puzzle 60% of the time.

https://openai.com/research/solving-rubiks-cube
We’ve trained a pair of neural networks to solve the Rubik’s Cube with a human-like robot hand. The neural networks are trained entirely in simulation, using the same reinforcement learning code as OpenAI Five paired with a new technique called Automatic Domain Randomization (ADR). The system can handle situations it never saw during training, such as being prodded by a stuffed giraffe. This shows that reinforcement learning isn’t just a tool for virtual tasks, but can solve physical-world problems requiring unprecedented dexterity.
Yup.
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Old 05-10-2023, 09:34 PM
 
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No, it will not take a while, it will take centuries to create a robot plumber, most all welders, electricians, bricklayers, carpenters, mechanics, much less replace home construction workers. Unless you are talking about assembly line work, or modular construction, where the work environment is a modular computer generated product.
The day will never come in our lifetime, where a robot shows up to your home to install a new furnace or run water pipes and repair a sewer line in your home.
We really don't know how long this will take. I already said in my other posts that it won't be in our lifetimes, but it may not take centuries. Could take only a hundred years or so. Technological progress does accelerate with time.
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Old 05-10-2023, 09:57 PM
 
Location: USA
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There’s no way AI could do my job, which is B2B sales. If anything, AI will only increase the amount of chaos and disorder I have to deal with every day. AI will be able to generate red tape 10 times faster than current technology, which means 10X more work for me.
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Old 05-10-2023, 10:05 PM
 
Location: Elysium
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There will never be a technology that can match the versatility, adaptability, and dexterity of a flesh and blood person.
It doesn't have to. Since you are no longer paying for the eventual retirement and health care cost of the human it becomes an economic decision. At what point does a one trick pony AI system, or many systems working together, linked to a specialized robotic appendages good enough that you don't care about versatility, adaptability and dexterity of a more easily hurt and expensive to maintain biological unit?
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