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Old 04-25-2019, 01:38 PM
 
Location: Birmingham, AL
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Here are CSA definitions from 2013:

Combined Statistical Areas of the United States and Puerto Rico February 2013

Anyone know if these definitions were updated in 2018 as well?


The census site has these numbers (for July 1, 2018):

Birmingham-Hoover-Talladega, AL CSA
1,366,283

Huntsville-Decatur-Albertville, AL CSA
782,233

Mobile-Daphne-Fairhope, AL CSA
631,779

Montgomery does not have a CSA.
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Old 04-25-2019, 03:04 PM
 
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Originally Posted by TimCity2000 View Post
Here are CSA definitions from 2013:

Combined Statistical Areas of the United States and Puerto Rico February 2013

Anyone know if these definitions were updated in 2018 as well?


The census site has these numbers (for July 1, 2018):

Birmingham-Hoover-Talladega, AL CSA
1,366,283

Huntsville-Decatur-Albertville, AL CSA
782,233

Mobile-Daphne-Fairhope, AL CSA
631,779

Montgomery does not have a CSA.
Based on the link you shared earlier from 2018, it looks like Huntsville lost 2 counties in its CSA (including Albertville) and Montgomery gained a few.

See my post above.
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Old 04-25-2019, 03:11 PM
 
Location: Birmingham, AL
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Oh, I see. I didn't realize that bulletin also had CSAs! Disregard my post.

So Alexander City Micropolitan Area moves from Birmingham CSA to a newly-created Montgomery CSA?
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Old 04-25-2019, 04:07 PM
 
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Oh, I see. I didn't realize that bulletin also had CSAs! Disregard my post.

So Alexander City Micropolitan Area moves from Birmingham CSA to a newly-created Montgomery CSA?
It seems to be so!
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Old 04-27-2019, 08:21 PM
 
Location: Madison, Alabama
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Anybody know what the criteria for a CSA are?

MSA is fairly well known, but I've never seen what's considered for a CSA.
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Old 04-27-2019, 08:31 PM
 
Location: Madison, Alabama
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Based on some back of the napkin math and some quick references, the below are the CSAs in Alabama, by population size:

Birmingham (Jefferson, Bibb, Blount, Chilton, Cullman, St. Clair, Shelby, Talladega, Walker)
1,235,243

Mobile (Mobile, Baldwin, Washington)
648,157

Huntsville (Madison, Lawrence, Limestone, Morgan)
614,739

Montgomery (Montgomery, Autauga, Coosa, Dallas, Elmore, Lowndes, Tallapoosa)
462,747

Let me know if you spot any errors.
Looks right to me. In the previous CSA definition, Huntsville had DeKalb County (Ft. Payne) and Marshall County. I always thought having DeKalb was pretty much a stretch (like having Cullman in the B'ham area), but logically it seems like Marshall should remain. There's lots of back and forth between Madison and Marshall Counties, but it depends on what the federal definition criteria are.

Wikipedia has a list of all the CSAs and their populations, but it hasn't been updated for 2018 estimates yet. That'll probably happen pretty soon.
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Old 04-29-2019, 06:20 PM
 
Location: New Albany, Indiana (Greater Louisville)
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Wonder what the normal daytime population in Baldwin Co is relative to the official resident population? I was down there for vacation last week, I think around spring break each year Gulf Shores became the 2nd largest city in Wisconsin.
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Old 04-30-2019, 12:00 PM
 
Location: South Beach and DT Raleigh
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Since my last post, that was intended to clear up the 2018 numbers with the new MSA/CSA designations, was deleted because I linked a competitor's site, here are the MSA and CSA numbers using the new designations and population estimates from 2018.

Birmingham: 1,088,090 MSA & 1,315,071 CSA
Montgomery: 373,225 MSA & 462,747 CSA
Huntsville: 462,692 MSA & 614,739 CSA
Tuscaloosa: 251,808 MSA (only)
Mobile: 430,135 MSA & 648,157 CSA

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Old 04-30-2019, 02:45 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, Birmingham, Charlotte, and Raleigh
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Looks right to me. In the previous CSA definition, Huntsville had DeKalb County (Ft. Payne) and Marshall County. I always thought having DeKalb was pretty much a stretch (like having Cullman in the B'ham area), but logically it seems like Marshall should remain. There's lots of back and forth between Madison and Marshall Counties, but it depends on what the federal definition criteria are.

Wikipedia has a list of all the CSAs and their populations, but it hasn't been updated for 2018 estimates yet. That'll probably happen pretty soon.
The reason why Cullman is tied to Birmingham more than Huntsville/Decatur is because of the primary commerce and socioeconomic ties between Cullman County and the main Birmingham area. It's very similar to how LaGrange is tied to Atlanta instead of Columbus in Georgia. Unbinding those ties would be nearly impossible because of the economic pushes by local officials (in Cullman) to be more connected to the logistical ports of entry in Birmingham (BHM, Port (of) Birmingham, and the sheer number of rail yards (BNSF, CSX, and Norfolk-Southern) and being a freight rail hub in the Greater Birmingham area)
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Old 05-02-2019, 02:44 PM
 
Location: New Albany, Indiana (Greater Louisville)
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My understanding is CSA or Metro is defined by commuting patterns. There's no way county officials could effect it
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