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Old 07-01-2012, 02:06 PM
 
Location: Bethel, Alaska
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I think you meant herring.
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Old 07-01-2012, 02:24 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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Unless it's overfishing by the commercial ships in recent years, I agree with Met that it could be a natural decline.
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Old 07-01-2012, 02:28 PM
 
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I think you meant herring.
Yep...
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Old 07-01-2012, 02:33 PM
 
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Unless it's overfishing by the commercial ships in recent years, I agree with Met that it could be a natural decline.
Is it typical to have crab, salmon and herring (AKA hearing) all down in the same cycle? I would rather see AK feed there own before he commercial market getting it.
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Old 07-01-2012, 02:43 PM
 
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Could it be due to the nuclear melt down in Japan? It seems in the last few years crab, halibut and now salmon are in decline. Do all of them run in the same decline cycles together. Have the hearing numbers been down?
At the time of the nuclear meltdown, the salmon run that was closest to Japan was specific to a certain part of SE. Because salmon mature at the bottom of the ocean, the young salmon most likely to affected by radiation won't be coming home until next year.

I seem to recall that the Yukon River King run has been iffy for years.

No, they don't run in the same cycles. Most of the commercial guys will tell you that halibut has been over-fished; it's federally regulated, which explains that. Even the five different types of Pacific salmon don't run in the same cycles -- let me see if I can put it in simple enough terms for you. Let's say that last year was a record silver run. Assuming that a record amount of silvers made it to their spawning grounds (and from what I saw, they did), and assuming that some natural or other type of disaster doesn't prevent them from maturing, the year 2015 will probably be another good silver year.

Alaska F&G has done a great job of managing the state's fisheries; if they cut back on quotas now, it's not a bad thing. It's better to have a lean fish year here and there than end up with no salmon at all.

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Old 07-01-2012, 02:58 PM
 
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Although I feel really bad for some of these people, I don't think the state has a choice right now in how they handle this.

On Alaska's Yukon, dismal king salmon returns have villagers on edge | Alaska Dispatch

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I would rather see AK feed there own before he commercial market getting it.
It's more complex than that. Alaska doesn't have that many residents -- personal consumption doesn't even make a dent. More food is provided through commercial jobs than by personal subsistence fishing. Regulating sports fishing also takes jobs away from Alaskans.

There's only one real answer here, and it's gonna hurt some people.

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Old 07-02-2012, 06:59 PM
 
Location: Manhattan Island
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Well, so maybe I'm slow on the uptake Met, but what is the solution/answer as you see it?

I had some Copper River king the other night, and it was tasty. The rather pale, weak looking color had me thinking it wouldn't be that great, but it was. Expensive, but that's to be expected around here.
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Old 07-02-2012, 10:00 PM
 
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Well, so maybe I'm slow on the uptake Met, but what is the solution/answer as you see it?

I had some Copper River king the other night, and it was tasty. The rather pale, weak looking color had me thinking it wouldn't be that great, but it was. Expensive, but that's to be expected around here.
What F&G is doing. Tighten the belts and enforce quotas. in areas that are seeing severe shortages.

The king run up along the Yukon was dismal 3 years ago. Unless they let as many of those salmon spawn as possible, it's going to be just as bad in 2015.
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Old 07-02-2012, 10:29 PM
 
Location: Dangling from a mooses antlers
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They gotta enforce the quotas. I still believe that rural subsistence users should get first shot. Commecial second and sportfisthers at the bottom. My personal opinon, which doesn't mean squat, is that this is just a down year in the king cycle.

If you've ever been in the small rural villages they need the fish. Jobs that pay wages are hard to come by. They depend on these runs to feed their families. That's why I am pro Pebble. Western Alaskans need jobs. Plus the enviromentsl controls on Pebble would be so stringent that they won't even be able to poo without someone watching.
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Old 07-02-2012, 11:06 PM
 
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They gotta enforce the quotas. I still believe that rural subsistence users should get first shot. Commecial second and sportfisthers at the bottom. My personal opinon, which doesn't mean squat, is that this is just a down year in the king cycle.

If you've ever been in the small rural villages they need the fish. Jobs that pay wages are hard to come by. They depend on these runs to feed their families. That's why I am pro Pebble. Western Alaskans need jobs. Plus the enviromentsl controls on Pebble would be so stringent that they won't even be able to poo without someone watching.
Absolutely. Like I said before, personal subsistence use doesn't even make much of a dent. Rural residents should definitely get them before anyone else.

Kings are starting to come in on POW -- pretty late, but it might be a fair run. That doesn't mean that the same will happen in Western AK; they're completely different runs (I'm sure Stiff knows this but others may not).
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