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Old 09-29-2012, 03:23 PM
 
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Anyone watched this on Discovery?

Takes place in Tanana, AK....

I found it interesting. Is that really what subsistence living is all about?

I don't want to make light of a certain situation that happened, but I don't want to spoil the show for those that have not seen it.
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Old 09-29-2012, 06:13 PM
 
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I find it quite fascinating. Then again, I find most of Discovery's Alaska shows fascinating because they're all about a way of life that, in most respects, is entirely foreign to me (I'm an East Coast city gal, btw).

I'd call what they do subsistence living. Trapping seems to be the major source of income. They hunt and make use of everything possible from those animals. They don't seem to be much into the farming aspect as the family portrayed on The Last Frontier (aka the off-the-grid family outside of Homer -- they were on Discovery last year), but I suspect it's because Tanana is much further north.
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Old 09-29-2012, 10:20 PM
 
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We chuckled at the response we expected from the beaver trapping segment. There's not a whole lot that's pretty about subsistence, but there is beauty in it. I'm surprised there hasn't been more of an uproar from the supermarket crowd.
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Old 09-29-2012, 10:32 PM
 
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I find it quite fascinating. Then again, I find most of Discovery's Alaska shows fascinating because they're all about a way of life that, in most respects, is entirely foreign to me (I'm an East Coast city gal, btw).

I'd call what they do subsistence living. Trapping seems to be the major source of income. They hunt and make use of everything possible from those animals. They don't seem to be much into the farming aspect as the family portrayed on The Last Frontier (aka the off-the-grid family outside of Homer -- they were on Discovery last year), but I suspect it's because Tanana is much further north.
I'm going to ask what may seem like a ridiculously ignorant question... so at least you've been warned.

To whom do these "trappers" sell? Okay, you trap a big animal that you aren't going to eat nor use in any way, and you kill it. You live hundreds of miles from the nearest location that could reasonably be deemed a center of civilization, and the people who live around you in equally remote areas are also trappers, hunters and gatherers so it's not like you could sell them anything they wouldn't already have. Do they sell the animals to butchers and processors downstate, near the big cities, so that people who aren't subsistence-minded can get food?

And if they do, how much money can be made from the sale of one animal?
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Old 09-29-2012, 10:46 PM
 
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I'm going to ask what may seem like a ridiculously ignorant question... so at least you've been warned.

To whom do these "trappers" sell? Okay, you trap a big animal that you aren't going to eat nor use in any way, and you kill it. You live hundreds of miles from the nearest location that could reasonably be deemed a center of civilization, and the people who live around you in equally remote areas are also trappers, hunters and gatherers so it's not like you could sell them anything they wouldn't already have. Do they sell the animals to butchers and processors downstate, near the big cities, so that people who aren't subsistence-minded can get food?

And if they do, how much money can be made from the sale of one animal?
They sell to fur dealers or ship them to a fur auction where they are sold to the highest bider. most of the skins go overseas where the demand is higher. Some skins like wolfs and wolverine can fetch a higher price for taxidermy purposes. As for how much it depends on the animal and the current market. Like a martin is about 100 bucks, wolf 300 to 400 bucks.,ect.
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Old 09-30-2012, 12:21 AM
 
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I think a lot of the beavers get sold to the custom underwear makers in New York and Los Angeles. A good beaver has very soft fur.
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Old 09-30-2012, 10:31 AM
 
Location: living in OKLA. heart in Alaska
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I think a lot of the beavers get sold to the custom underwear makers in New York and Los Angeles. A good beaver has very soft fur.
I don't laugh often,but I got a good laugh out of that. rep'd you
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Old 09-30-2012, 04:20 PM
 
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They sell to fur dealers or ship them to a fur auction where they are sold to the highest bider. most of the skins go overseas where the demand is higher. Some skins like wolfs and wolverine can fetch a higher price for taxidermy purposes. As for how much it depends on the animal and the current market. Like a martin is about 100 bucks, wolf 300 to 400 bucks.,ect.
Aren't there limits on how many animals you could trap though? One would think, if this is such a goldmine in an area where there ain't many ways to earn money, it'd be easy to hunt / trap the population of certain animals down to the point where they'd be considered endangered......?

Such limits would seem to restrict how much money you could make as a hunter / trapper...
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Old 09-30-2012, 05:43 PM
 
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For you and me (all non-Alaskans), yes, there are strict limits. After living in AK for a certain period of time, the permits get a cheaper permit and I think the ability to take more animals goes up. Then, if you get a subsistence permit or are a Native Alaskan the limits are even more liberal. Not sure how a non-native Alaskan qualifies today for a subsistence permit... Alaska Fish and Game website could probably answer those questions.

This was illustrated in Yukon men, they were doing a 'potlatch' and needed a Moose, because of the circumstances they were allowed to kill a Moose out of season.

If you are living totally off-grid and on subsistence, the general idea is that you do not need a ton of money to survive. In the show, one family was trying to make $2000 and the other $4000 in furs...
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Old 09-30-2012, 11:02 PM
 
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Here is a video I took several years ago of our local fur auction.

Fur auction - YouTube
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