New Alaska legislation to expand carry in schools and self-defense rights (Anchorage: violent crime, school district)

[Glitch]

New Alaska legislation to expand carry in schools and self-defense rights

HB24 expands the right to self-defense with a firearm to any place where a person has the right to be. There is no longer a ‘duty’, a liberal mechanism that requires the law abiding to be victims, to retreat in the face of a threat to one’s life or the life of another.

All law abiding citizens who carry a firearm in Alaska for self-defense need to know the law regarding the use of deadly force. A concealed carry course is strongly recommended to provide the legal foundation for use of deadly force in a self-defense situation. One does not have go through with the permit, unless one desires to do so in order to carry out of state.

Source: New Alaska legislation to expand carry in schools and self-defense rights - Anchorage Alaska Gubernatorial | Examiner.com

It is about time.

Legislation: http://www.legis.state.ak.us/PDF/28/Bills/HB0024A.PDF

HB55 expands the law to allow any permanent school employee to be armed, at the discretion of the school district, if they have had the appropriate training and a concealed carry permit.

Legislation: http://www.legis.state.ak.us/PDF/28/Bills/HB0055A.PDF

I have a few issues with HB55. For one thing the legislature is leaving it up to the Commissioner of Public Safety to determine what is acceptable training, and I disagree with the CCP requirement. If they meet all the training requirements, why is it necessary for them to obtain a CCP when it is not required anywhere else in the State?

[stiffnecked]

There is some kinda federal law that deals with gun free school zones. I think that the State is just trying to cover their bases by requiring a CCP and training.

[IL2AK4job]

The thing still stands that criminals will break laws. Law abiding gun owners very rarely commit violent crimes. I am all for arming certain faculty and staff in schools. in Texas they are attempting to pad legislation to allow any one with a CCP to carry in schools. I agree with and disagree with the Texan law. And add far add this new Alaskan law...at first glance I agree with it.

All that being said I am for gun control. If you can control where your bullet goes that in itself is gun control enough for me!

[Dakster]

Training is not a bad thing, hopefully they throw in some handgun retention techniques and discretionary shooting.

In order for some peace of mind, I'd really like to know that in order for a school employee to carry they actually qualified with the gun they have.

[Glitch]

Originally Posted by IL2AK4job

The thing still stands that criminals will break laws. Law abiding gun owners very rarely commit violent crimes. I am all for arming certain faculty and staff in schools. in Texas they are attempting to pad legislation to allow any one with a CCP to carry in schools. I agree with and disagree with the Texan law. And add far add this new Alaskan law...at first glance I agree with it.

All that being said I am for gun control. If you can control where your bullet goes that in itself is gun control enough for me!

I am happy just to get rid of that great big huge neon sign over every school that says "WE ARE UNARMED! COME SHOOT US!", also known as the Gun-Free School Zone Act of 1995.

It does not mean every teacher in every school will be armed, it merely makes the next nut-job with a firearm think twice before using a school for target practice because now someone may shoot back.

[starlite9]

Allowing the teachers to be trained and allowed to carry a firearm is a first step in stopping loons from trying to gain Fame over the dead bodies of our children. An armed teacher can help change the tide of these heart breaking events.

All this crap about banning assault rifles is just pure lies, the loon had a rifle in the car, but it never went into the school with him. He seems to have had four pistols and lots of bullets. So this gun ban crap is bogus and has nothing to do with a rifle.

[dcarrot]

Sandy Hook Gunman Had 4 Guns: State Police | NBC Connecticut

State police seized four guns when they responded to the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown in December, according to state police.

Police released a news release on Tuesday, saying they provided details in news conferences but wanted to eliminate any confusion or misinformation.

Police said they found a Bushmaster .223 caliber model XM15-E2S rifle with high capacity 30 round clips, a Glock 10-mm handgun and a Sig-Sauer P226 9mm handgun inside the school.

Police identified Adam Lanza as the gunman who shot and killed 20 first graders and six staff members.

Police also searched Lanza’s car, which was
in parking lot, and found an Izhmash Canta-12 12-gauge shotgun.

[Crossfire600]

Originally Posted by dcarrot

Sandy Hook Gunman Had 4 Guns: State Police | NBC Connecticut

State police seized four guns when they responded to the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown in December, according to state police.

Police released a news release on Tuesday, saying they provided details in news conferences but wanted to eliminate any confusion or misinformation.

Police said they found a Bushmaster .223 caliber model XM15-E2S rifle with high capacity 30 round clips, a Glock 10-mm handgun and a Sig-Sauer P226 9mm handgun inside the school.

Police identified Adam Lanza as the gunman who shot and killed 20 first graders and six staff members.

Police also searched Lanza’s car, which was
in parking lot, and found an Izhmash Canta-12 12-gauge shotgun.

Just think, if someone in the school entrance was carrying a concealed weapon he probably never would have made it past the front door. Nothing like a double tap to eliminate a threat.

[Moose Whisperer]

Originally Posted by Glitch

It is about time.

Legislation: http://www.legis.state.ak.us/PDF/28/Bills/HB0024A.PDF

HB55 expands the law to allow any permanent school employee to be armed, at the discretion of the school district, if they have had the appropriate training and a concealed carry permit.

Legislation: http://www.legis.state.ak.us/PDF/28/Bills/HB0055A.PDF

I have a few issues with HB55. For one thing the legislature is leaving it up to the Commissioner of Public Safety to determine what is acceptable training, and I disagree with the CCP requirement. If they meet all the training requirements, why is it necessary for them to obtain a CCP when it is not required anywhere else in the State?

I mostly agree. A few points though.

1. IMO, HB24A doesn't go far enough. Alaska still remains a Defense of Life only State, not Life & Property like others such as Texas or Florida. Even with the changes of the bill, one still must prove that one was under "imment fear of death or serious injury" from someone "with a dangerous weapon" before you can legally waste a scumbag who has broken into your house. In a DL&P State this isn't necessary and helps to protect the homeowner from over zealous prosecution and civil lawsuits.
2. I personally agree with the part about having CCW Training however. Right now, an ACHP holder still can't carry on school grounds without permission. In fact, I believe that Alaska should require CCW training to carry concealed. There are many clowns that simply shouldn't carry a gun because they are are hazard to themselves and others. CCW Training is the best way to weed out these fools.
3. I extend this reasoning to other areas in life as well - most notably voting and driving. Allowing your average moron to vote and drive simply because they can fog a mirror has led to a disasterous status quo on our roads and in Washgnton DC.

[Glitch]

Originally Posted by Moose Whisperer

I mostly agree. A few points though.

1. IMO, HB24A doesn't go far enough. Alaska still remains a Defense of Life only State, not Life & Property like others such as Texas or Florida. Even with the changes of the bill, one still must prove that one was under "imment fear of death or serious injury" from someone "with a dangerous weapon" before you can legally waste a scumbag who has broken into your house. In a DL&P State this isn't necessary and helps to protect the homeowner from over zealous prosecution and civil lawsuits.
2. I personally agree with the part about having CCW Training however. Right now, an ACHP holder still can't carry on school grounds without permission. In fact, I believe that Alaska should require CCW training to carry concealed. There are many clowns that simply shouldn't carry a gun because they are are hazard to themselves and others. CCW Training is the best way to weed out these fools.
3. I extend this reasoning to other areas in life as well - most notably voting and driving. Allowing your average moron to vote and drive simply because they can fog a mirror has led to a disasterous status quo on our roads and in Washgnton DC.

I agree that HB24 does not go far enough, but it is an improvement. As far as proving one was under "imment fear of death or serious injury," if local law enforcement can use lethal force against someone with a stick, I do not think it will be difficult for civilians to do the same.

While I agree with the training aspect, I do not think it should be a government mandated requirement. I think everyone with a firearm should be trained to use their firearm safely, but that is different from saying everyone must be trained. Personally, I do not go hunting with someone until I have been to the range with them and know firsthand their gun etiquette and safe-handling knowledge. Some armed people are very safe to be around, while others can be extremely reckless. A little time at the range will give both of us more confidence in each others abilities. I am a fanatic when it comes to gun safety. As a result, I have never had an accident in the 50 years I have been armed, and I intend to keep it that way.