01-21-2008, 06:42 PM
Location: Naptowne, Alaska
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Plant some pilings and build on those. I think you'll be just fine. Yes there are a number of water purifiers available these days and you can use the lake water for that. And depending on the terrain you can move your cabin back a ways from waters edge if it gives you more elevation or more of a solid ground. And keep in mind an excessive amount of snow could raise lake water levels so you may want to consider keeping back a bit if it does raise you cabin elevation a bit. Looks like a nice spot. Hopefully there are fish in there also!
01-21-2008, 07:33 PM
Location: Wherever they send me... (Family are based in Oregon)
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I live in Grants Pass, in Southern Oregon. There are some beautiful areas around here. The Siskiyou's are beautiful, the Redwoods, the coast further up north around Yachats. Having been brought up in suburban London I hated it. Trees were rare things seen only in parks. Houses were back to back. People everywhere. Shops everywhere. I promised myself I would get out as soon as I could. I moved to Dublin when I was 16 years old (by myself) and lived there for 2 years. Then I went back to England to finish my education. I took a degree in Scriptwriting for Film (which is of no use to anyone, but I was young and didn't care), then got a job doing data entry work which was mind numbingly depressing. Then a friend of mine suggested I work as a caregiver at the local deaf school (deaf school actually meant residential school for kids with all kinds of handicaps - deaf blind autistic quadraplegic everything). 2 years of looking after kids who put their heads through plate glass windows, the one hour bus ride to work hungover going over a million speed bumps, made me think: I need a plan.
I thought being a motorcycle paramedic sounded good. But didn't have my motorbike license for long enough at the time to apply for the job. So I figured I would train as a nurse and get some ER experience, by then I'd have my motorcycle license long enough to apply. But then I got driving citations on my bike license and ended up hating my ER placements anyway. I graduated as a nurse and have worked for 6 years either in Hospice or in cancer centers. I just got back from a job in Maine where I was the nurse manager on a medical surgical ward - which I hated - way too much paperwork. Now I'm back in Oregon. The plan had been to move over to Maine with the family (wife and two kids) but I was working 90 hours a week, so it was no solution. Although Maine was pretty. I liked the snow and the very few people. But the heating bills were insane.
So now I'm back to square one. Back in Southern Oregon where the property prices are crazy. Working at the local hospital on a medical surgical ward. Devising the latest plan to drive my wife even crazier.
I'm not one of those people that wants a secure job and an easy life. I get restless very easilly. I guess having seen so many people die of cancer has made me realize that you have to really push the boundaries and seek out some purpose in life. I've not found it yet. I have to keep looking. I come into my own when I'm faced with overwhelming odds and when people tell me: You're crazy, it will never happen. I guess that gets my goat enough for me to want to do it just to prove them wrong.
There's nothing worse than just existing doing something you don't have much passion for. I think I used to get a kick out of looking after people. I'm told I am a pretty good nurse. I'd like to think I made a bit of a difference. Like it or not, I am conscientious about my job. That's why I burn out. I have to stay late to make sure things are done right. But I'm at the point where I'm asking myself: What am I doing? People are always going to be sick. You get them better so the majority of them can return to their pointless lives. I've lost my drive. But... I honestly believe that if I can make a go of something as challenging as building a cabin and living in a remote area of Alaska, then I will feel revived. And that's a good starting point.
01-21-2008, 08:26 PM
Location: Palmer
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Englsh Nurse...I have lived the life in the bush like that. And I absolutely love it. However, I married someone who likes running water and electricity and I lover her more so I'm staying put.
You will really like it when you get your cabin built. There is nothing like a warm fire on a cold day when you can look outside and know the wind can blow, the snow can fall but you are going to be warm, dry and cozy. And you don't have to worry about traffic noise because there is no road within 50 miles of there. You are going to have to fly in. I would guess that you can charter for 3-4 hundred dollars from Nenana.
The Deadman Lake Campground on google is a different lake. That one is on the Alaska Highway between the border and Tok.
01-21-2008, 10:07 PM
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3 million lakes in this state and only so many names.
02-08-2008, 10:12 PM
Location: Wherever they send me... (Family are based in Oregon)
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My biggest question right now is which foundations to go with. I've read various things. The region has 'continuous permafrost'. I don't know what depth. I know that if you build on permafrost you can upset the thermal dynamics of the ground and it may cause your foundations to sink. A building will shield the ground from sunlight in the summer and the heat from the building will create more warmth in the winter.
Some people say you have to place your foundations below the level of the permafrost and in the same sentence they say the permafrost may only be a few feet deep, but could be over 100 feet deep...!
Some people say wooden pilings, some say concrete (but that can crack with root penetration even if it's reinforced with rebar), others say hollow metal cylinders (but they can bend).
No one seems to have a definitive answer. It's all, hmm, depends on the soil and permafrost depth.
Well, the soil is sandy silt, five to six feet, covered with an organic layer. The depth of the permafrost is unknown, but definitely what they call 'continuous permafrost', as opposed to seasonal.
Here's my thinking:
1. Tapered, kiln fired reinforced and treated timber pilings driven ten feet into the ground and rising another 8 feet above the ground. If it does sink, I can jack it and reinforce it with some more pilings.
or...
2. Dig a 4 feet trench, fill with concrete reinforced with rebar. Apply mortar to the top then build a three feet high foundation wall of local stones and mortar, level it off, drill in some threaded screws to secure the flooring frame.
The benefit of the pilings though would mean the house is higher from the ground. If I insulate the floor well then the heat shouldn't get down to the permafrost to upset it too much, and also, if I keep the space beneath the house open then some sun will get in during the summer - as opposed to completely blocking it off with stone and mortar.
I'm really erring on the side of reinforced tapered and treated timber pilings.
Does anyone have any good suggestions?
I was planning on laying the foundation pilings at the end of July and getting the flooring on. Then leaving it to settle for a few months until I can get back again and start on the walls and roof.
The Outlands - Build your own log cabin
Building a log cabin in Alaska, preparing the land and peeling logs.
It's frustrating. The foundations are the most important thing. But I've yet to find anyone who agrees on the best foundations to use in sandy silt with continuous permafrost.
If I go the timber piling route and it all sinks - I'll be sure to post and let you all know...
02-08-2008, 10:30 PM
Location: Palmer
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Read
this thread. Read the whole thing. I would go the pad route. You will understand after you read the thread
02-11-2008, 11:30 PM
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By pad, do you mean the floating 'skid pad' mentioned in this thread?
I'm thinking: skid pad resting on sonotube pilings. Then if there is any sinking or unsettling, I can stack some breeze blocks up beneath the house, put bottle jacks on the top of the pile of blocks and jack the house/pad until it's level - then , I can add some kind of support wedge on top of the original sonotube pilings and take the jacks and breeze blocks away.
Hmm.
Sonotube pilings with skid pad on top...
Oh well, if the whole thing collapes to one side it will just add character, right?
02-12-2008, 01:15 AM
Location: Naptowne, Alaska
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I'd go with timber treated. You can just keep adding spacers if pilings sink? Build that base/sub floor nice and solid and you can level the entire building fairly easily and won't have a bunch of buckling and corner cracking etc if you get a frost heave under the house. But thats just me.
02-12-2008, 01:51 AM
Location: Fairbanks Alaska
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Sinking of a foundatin is easy, frost jacking on a piling can cause more issues. You can build adjustment into the pilings by adding plates and real large screws set mid way with nuts on the plate as load bearing surface.
White Spruce Enterprixes sells an adjustable post and base system with cross bracing that is earthquake rated. check it out. White Spruce Enterprises (broken link)
02-12-2008, 09:49 AM
Location: Palmer
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You must not have read the whole thread mentioned.
Basically, it is a 4 foot square pad, (or depending on soils a 3 foot square pad) by 1 foot thick made out of treated wood.
Clear the top layer of soil, (leaves, roots etc), until you get to the mineral layer. Level this layer and rest the pad on that.
Do that on all four corners. Build up each pad with cribbing until each are level with the other. None of the pads will be at the same level initially.
Then lay your beams across the center of each pad.
4 pads would work for up to a 16X16 cabin....if you get larger than that you will need more pads.
This is real easy to monitor over time so that you can jack up a corner to bring back to level if needed. If you can get away with only 4 pads you will not have the uneven frost jacking problem associated with multiple pilings.
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People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)