02-02-2008, 09:33 AM
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Ok I have a question and hope someone here can help. We are going to have a 12 battery bank using golf cart batteries with our 2,500w inverter. I saw in Northern Tool they have this,
Northern Industrial Tools Solar-Powered Trickle Charger 5 Watt | Solar Solutions | Northern Tool + Equipment
So my question is do you buy one of these and hook it up and it stays connected to the battery bank the whole time or do you just hook it up when the batteries are dead? I know I will need one of the things that will prevent overcharging and also one of the gauges that tells what the charge is one the batteries but I was just trying to figure out if there was a way to use some solar to help charge the batteries.
02-02-2008, 09:37 AM
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Also would you spend more on a high dollar generator that you will only use to charge the batteries and maybe sometime in the next year used every few days-once a week for washing clothes or would you buy a cheaper generator and use the money towards a bigger battery bank?
02-02-2008, 09:42 AM
Location: Alaska
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Mal, where are you???? Earth paging Mal, Earth paging Mal....you're needed on aisle 4,,
02-02-2008, 12:09 PM
Location: Fairbanks Alaska
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Quote:
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megensmom
Also would you spend more on a high dollar generator that you will only use to charge the batteries and maybe sometime in the next year used every few days-once a week for washing clothes or would you buy a cheaper generator and use the money towards a bigger battery bank?
I would think you would want a generator that is druable, reliable, quiet, and fuel efficient. Something easy to maintain.
A 5 watt charger would be good for a single battery of the same voltage (12) to keep charged while your away or such. Unless your using LED lights, this charger would not keep up with any load on the system. Remember wattages stated are normally peak watts on full sun days etc.
02-02-2008, 12:11 PM
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Oh boy. Talk about a can of worms.
Buying a charger for a battery bank/inverter is not a cheap decision. First, make sure that the batteries are in a cool, dry area. Batteries in a hot area deteriorate very quickly in any temp over 77 degrees. 77 is optimum for max discharge vs. long life span. Buy a charger that is temperature compensated. A battery that is warm will accept more charge and as it charges will warm up more, demanding more charge, warming up more, resulting in a condition known as thermal runaway. Fires usually result. Bad thing!
Buy a charger that is rated for the batteries that are installed. A car charger is NOT the thing to have. Buy an inverter that is rated for the load required by the house. There are reputable dealers who will ask what your max load on the house is. Be prepared to tell them in KW or KVA. At least be able to tell them what your house service is rated in amps. Try and tell them what you current draw will be for the battery/inverter system.
Cheap on a charger/battery/inverter system is not the way to go. Pricing on a household system is not within my scope here. I deal in industrial and commercial systems. Batteries are tempermental creatures, and need to be treated with respect. They are also dangerous. Please get an electrician or dealer to recommend a complete system for you.
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02-02-2008, 12:13 PM
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As far as the genset, my recommendation for a household unit is a small (3-5kW) Honda, Lugger or Northern Lights unit. I can come up with a drawing for a homemade transfer switch.
02-02-2008, 12:57 PM
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We were thinking of one of the 5,000w Honda Generators from Sams Club. We have spoken to someone at a place in Alaska that specializes in inverters and the like. And the reason I posted this is because I know THEY are in the business to sell these systems. I know they have knowledge but I also know that they can just as easily trick us into buying something that we don't really need or maybe we would be just as well of with brand X inverter but they really need the sale so they don't even show us X.
I know people here aren't going to make money with their advice so I wanted to see what info I could get.
The one place sent me a basic guide that has some of the wattage use for items commonly used and based on that we would need something that would produce 1730watts so a 2000 watt inverter or maybe a 2500 would be best. The home is already set up for an inverter system and my father in law says just buy a inverter and batteries and put them into the storage thing he had and we should be good to go. The inverter he had was about $3000 and he had 10 golf cart batteries. He just had a coleman brand generator though. So that is why I asked about the generator,since it wouldn't be used daily would I be ok to get one from say Sams Club and use the money saved to get a better brand inverter. I know we want to get the really good batteries,the gel type however at least for the first year we will have to settle for the golf cart ones.
Truthfully how much difference is there in say an inverter purchased at Northern Tool Company than the ones say sold at Alaska Battery? What type of working life will I get from the one at Northern Tool
02-02-2008, 01:14 PM
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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Yes, there is such a place in Fairbanks. They are locate on Vanhorn Avenue, and used to have the name "Alaska Battery Supply." They build batteries, and sell solar chargers.
Some solar chargers include a protective circuit that prevents current from moving backwards to the charger. Also, some chargers include a "maintainer" circuit that prevents overcharging the battery. These protective circuits are readily available, and are also used to charge your cell phone, iPod, etc., while others maintain a very small pulse or charge just enough to keep the battery charged. As you may already know, a battery, even when not used, discharges itself. A charger/maintainer charges the battery, and then switches to a trickle pulse to "maintain" the battery. Some are designed to charge and maintain several batteries throughout the winter. The alternator in your car does the same for the battery. It does not over-charge it, because the battery is in constant discharge.
Honda does make inverter generators. They are sold around Fairbanks. Sportsman Warehouse has them. These are also available at Delta Junction (Big Delta), at the ATV dealer by the bridge. The smallest one is 1000-watt, and the largest 6500-watt I believe. Keep in mind that you can also incorporate a power generator to a stationary bicycle, which could be handy during the winter months, since it allows you to exercise and store electricity.
Last edited by RayinAK; 02-02-2008 at 01:24 PM ..
02-02-2008, 06:11 PM
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There is a lady by the name of Dalanda who works Tues through Thurs in AK Battery in Fairbanks (Mon and Fri in Anchorage). She is a great person to deal with. Tell her I sent you. She knows me through sales in Anchorage. They are a reputable company and great people. Tell her Mal said hi.
As near as I can tell, the item from Northern Tool is meant to run off of the car lighter outlet and unless you are running off of your car engine, it's not what you need. The golf cart batteries are either 4D or 8D batteries and 10 in series requires a 120 VDC charger. Charger amperage will depend on the size of the batteries. Those batteries are deep cycle batteries. Good for inverters. Do not use car batteries!!! Bad choice.
02-02-2008, 10:33 PM
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When I lived off the grid in the 90's I got a great deal of help and advice from Backwoods Solar in Sandpoint, Idaho (
Backwoods Solar Electric Systems ). There is a lot of explanatory material available on their website, but I'd suggest that you also telephone them with specific questions. They are very willing to help regardless of whether you are interested in buying something from them. They sometimes spent 40 minutes on the phone with us talking us through one thing or another.
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People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)