Killing and Trapping Wolves Near Denali National Park... Should it be legal? (food, vegetarian)

[Metlakatla]

I'm pretty sure the poster was trying to say that modern hunters through their sheer numbers and the techniques they've brought to the table -- and perhaps even their reasons for hunting -- have upset the natural order. That's not entirely nonsense, even though it's hardly that simple, either. But there's a little truth in it, like a lot of nonsense.

What I doubt the poster realizes, though, is that Natives historically practiced predator control, and probably did so in larger numbers than we do today. Culling wolf cubs was a common way to decrease the competition for game animals such as moose and caribou.

ETA

http://www.adn.com/alaska-news/wildl...ali-wolf-pack/

[mitgreb]

Killem all end the debate!

[Dude111]

Originally Posted by 6.7traveler

My personal thoughts are it's one thing to trap a very common small animal in Timbuktu Alaska where there is abundance of a certain kind of animal, but wolves in and near National Parks should be off limits...

No anaimal should be killed FOR NO REASON!!

If your under attack or DESPERATLY NEED FOOD thats one thing..... (The human animal LOVES to kill for no reason and its sad)

[Haolejohn]

Originally Posted by Dude111

No anaimal should be killed FOR NO REASON!!

If your under attack or DESPERATLY NEED FOOD thats one thing..... (The human animal LOVES to kill for no reason and its sad)

You do realize that trappers use the fur of the animals that they trap right?

[Music_Man]

Dude111 you must be a vegetarian then?

[6.7traveler]

I didn't mean to start a trapping vs non trapping debate. The point I was trying to make was if the wolf population in Denali is declining, then maybe reinstating a temporary buffer zone around the park to take a little stress off the animals isn't the worst idea. A few more pregnant females/alpha males being trapped and the numbers can decline pretty fast.

Another article mentioning this in the ADN today. http://www.adn.com/alaska-news/wildl...ali-wolf-pack/

[Metlakatla]

Trappers use the fur of the animals they trap to sell to idiots with more money than brains.

[Arktikos]

Originally Posted by 6.7traveler

..Another article mentioning this in the ADN today. Sole survivor? A lone female may be the last of famed Denali wolf pack - Alaska Dispatch News

The comments following this article are worth looking at. One person quotes the wolf killer from the Natl Geo article:

(Referring to his record..., he said, “That was the third time I ruined millions of people’s Denali National Park viewing experience.” )

And the cretins running the show for the state aren't much better, spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on wolf "culling" adventures and providing for bear baiting stations, where wolves and bears are lured in for easy kills.
All this so some lazy, alcoholic lard asses can imagine themselves as hunters.

[Metlakatla]

Yep, and most of those lazy, alcoholic lard asses are from out-of-state. Not that it should make a difference, because a lazy, alcoholic lard as is a lazy, alcoholic lard ass by any other name, but I'm not sure most people realize that the state of Alaska often skews in favor of out-of-state alcoholic lard asses over resident alcoholic lard asses (yeah yeah I know out-of-state licences are expensive, but that doesn't matter to the lazy, alcoholic lard asses who come up here for big game and big fish, and it means more revenue for the state).

[RayinAK]

Originally Posted by Blind Cleric

The comments following this article are worth looking at. One person quotes the wolf killer from the Natl Geo article:

(Referring to his record..., he said, “That was the third time I ruined millions of people’s Denali National Park viewing experience.” )

And the cretins running the show for the state aren't much better, spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on wolf "culling" adventures and providing for bear baiting stations, where wolves and bears are lured in for easy kills.
All this so some lazy, alcoholic lard asses can imagine themselves as hunters.

Hunters, trappers, fishermen (and women) do more for wildlife, and fish than those who just whine about these people. Alaska Natives and non-natives alike trap, fish, and hunt. Some do it for subsistence, others just because they want to, and so on. The licenses aren't cheap. Predator control has been done in Alaska from the beginning as a State, and in Canada for many years. But the difference between Canada and us is that Canadians do not whine about their F&G agencies like we do.

Something else about the Denali wolf packs is that they have been in decline for several years already, even when the buffer zone was in place. According to numerous reports, they have had seasons where the wolves just died off during the winter months. There are no explanations for the recent decline:
https://www.nps.gov/dena/learn/natur...P_JUMP_1035571

Since 1986, biologists have monitored wolf populations in Denali. Wolves is one of 18 vital signs monitored in the park as part of the Central Alaska Network (CAKN) Inventory & Monitoring Program. For the past 25 years, biologists have monitored on average 95 wolves annually (north of the Alaska Range). Fall wolf densities have ranged from 2.7 to 9.8 wolves per 1000 square kilometers (7.0 to 25.3 wolves per 1000 square miles). However, wolf densities for the past three years have been the lowest in Denali since 1987. No obvious explanation for this current low density is apparent.

Something else: If you really want to see the greatest number of hunters and fishers in the Northern Hemisphere, look at Canada. Alaska does not even get close to the huge guiding industry of Canada.