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Old 02-18-2008, 04:44 AM
 
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If someone had asked me twenty or thirty years ago if the United States of America would sanction the torture of human beings, I'd have been affronted by the very question.

Today, what we used to fight against in the name of democracy, human rights and freedom, we sanction for ourselves, and perpetrate the same on others around the globe.

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We no longer live in an America our forefathers founded on our behalf, the America our own fathers and grandfathers sacrificed for.

We've not honored what America used to stand for.
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Old 02-18-2008, 11:07 AM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC
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We no longer live in an America our forefathers founded on our behalf, the America our own fathers and grandfathers sacrificed for.

We've not honored what America used to stand for.
True. We now live in a police state.
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Old 02-18-2008, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Naptowne, Alaska
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I say the use of torture to get any vital info out of terrorists is perfectly acceptable. You know they would torture you. Right before they cut your head off and show it publically.
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Old 02-18-2008, 04:51 PM
 
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.......I say the use of torture to get any vital info out of terrorists is perfectly acceptable.
Do you not recognize the contradiction when we hanged people for torturing our citizens?

Now, it's suddenly alright for us to commit what we used to judge and prosecute as war crimes.

War crimes are not war crimes if we do it?

Never mind that the intelligence community and the military say that you cannot get reliable information from anyone by torturing them, but torture is what we used to fight against. What we stood against. What we fought wars over and sacrificed our military members lives over.

Now, suddenly, ...all that was worth nothing, ...meant nothing?

That was all wrong in your eyes?, .....that was something we should have stood on the other side with, we should have supported torture and those who commit war crimes instead of fighting to stop it?

We never should have stood for what we once stood for?
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Old 02-18-2008, 07:38 PM
 
Location: Naptowne, Alaska
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War is hell buddy. War is hell. They started it. We need to finish it. With whatever means it takes.
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Old 02-18-2008, 07:45 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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McCain voted against the water-boarding ban?

Good for him, and anybody who voted against the ban.
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Old 02-18-2008, 10:01 PM
 
Location: Anchorage, alaska
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im sorry but if you think this or any other "vote" about torture is going to affect what really goes on in the spook world you need to wake up. if someone has to use waterboarding, jumper cables to the testicles whatever, to stop a bomb, im sorry but one life vs a million lives its a easy choice, hell we made that decision before to end WWII.

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Old 02-18-2008, 11:53 PM
 
Location: North Dakota
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I agree with Rance. In certain situations, torture in my opinion is necessary. If torturing one person could potentially save the lives of thousands or even more, then yes...torture has its place. Well said, Rance and pgaks2. Why do you think our special forces, navy seals etc are trained to survive an interragation? Unfortunately it is part of War.
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Old 02-18-2008, 11:56 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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im sorry but if you think this or any other "vote" about torture is going to affect what really goes on in the spook world you need to wake up. if someone has to use waterboarding, jumper cables to the testicles whatever, to stop a bomb, im sorry but one life vs a million lives its a easy choice, hell we made that decision before to end WWII.

sheb
Agree with you. It would be much pleasant for those caught by terrorists to be "tortured" with waterboarding instead of beheading. Don't you think so? By the way, it's they who use a battery and a set of leads connected to the testicles, or the nipples, not us. Waterbording is also part of the training special forces try on themselves.
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Old 02-18-2008, 11:57 PM
 
Location: North Dakota
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One other thing user....you are comparing past "war crimes" with us torturing a few pows caught on the battlefield. Compare that with some of the past dictators, like Hitler, Stalin etc. Hitler killed millions for no real reason at all(religion). That would be our definition of "war crimes"
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