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Old 05-17-2009, 06:51 PM
 
Location: on top of a mountain
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I get such a headache reading Palin's interviews.
ya really need a butt kick'n splifter and a really dark pair of shades!!!!

 
Old 05-17-2009, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Bethel, Alaska
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I see a Russian everytime I order a pizza in Bethel, does that count?
 
Old 05-17-2009, 06:59 PM
 
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There are a couple of mail order brides living on POW; does that count?
 
Old 05-17-2009, 09:48 PM
 
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We have several Russians at the office. Does that count?
 
Old 05-17-2009, 10:40 PM
 
Location: St. Petersburg, Florida
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I'm from Florida, and I want to assure you in Alaska, that although King Obama's puppets in the media actually have people believing that Palin said she could see Russia from her house, those of us down here that can think for ourselves do not share the blind hate for Alaska or Palin that the sheep do.
 
Old 05-17-2009, 10:46 PM
 
Location: Too far from Alaska
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Mmmm... the retirees never give up
 
Old 05-17-2009, 11:03 PM
 
Location: Interior alaska
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Actually, from the Alaska mainland at the Bering Straits (e.g., from Wales, from the radar site on top of Cape Mountain, or even at Tin City on the south side) it is possible to see mainland Russia on any clear day.

Incidentally, there are probably no descendants in Alaska today of any Russians who were here prior to 1867. Just to begin with there were never more than 600-700 Russians in Alaska at any one time when they owned it. But even more to the point they all left immediately after Alaska was transfered to the US simply because the US Army literally confiscated everything they owned in an effort to drive them all out. Only about a dozen stayed more than a month or so. (See "History of Alaska", Bancroft.)

All of the Russians in Alaska today have migrated here in the past several decades, and most of them had left Russian long before they came to Alaska. They are "Old Believers".

When the United States bought Alaska from Russia, most of the Russian Nationals returned back to Russia, but there were thousands of their decendants still here after a hundred plus years of Russians here, there were a lot of children born of Russian fathers.

There is a lot of Russian bloodlines from "Mother Russia" still here, as many of those children of Russian fathers took their dad's Russian names.
 
Old 05-18-2009, 12:08 AM
 
Location: Barrow, Alaska
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When the United States bought Alaska from Russia, most of the Russian Nationals returned back to Russia, but there were thousands of their decendants still here after a hundred plus years of Russians here, there were a lot of children born of Russian fathers.

There is a lot of Russian bloodlines from "Mother Russia" still here, as many of those children of Russian fathers took their dad's Russian names.
No, there were not "thousands".

The Russians referred to them as "Creoles", and while there were more Creoles than Russians during the later decades, it still only amounted to hundreds of individuals. For example in 1819 the Russian census counted 491 Russians and 244 Creoles and the 1833 census counted 730 Russians and 1151 Creoles.

The highest count of Russians according to their census data was in 1839 when there were 832 Russians in Alaska.

The point with the count for Creoles is that they were not brought into the Russian culture, and almost invariably were raised in an Alaska Native culture. They did not impart Russian culture on Alaska after the departure of the Russians. And, while I do not know, I seriously doubt that the Russian surnames popular in Alaska came from that era, as opposed to post 1867 when the Russian Orthodox Church became much more active in their missionary work. An example demonstrating that would be all of the Russian names that are common on the Yukon and Kuskokwim Rivers.
 
Old 05-18-2009, 12:24 AM
 
Location: Interior alaska
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No, there were not "thousands".

The Russians referred to them as "Creoles", and while there were more Creoles than Russians during the later decades, it still only amounted to hundreds of individuals. For example in 1819 the Russian census counted 491 Russians and 244 Creoles and the 1833 census counted 730 Russians and 1151 Creoles.

The highest count of Russians according to their census data was in 1839 when there were 832 Russians in Alaska.

The point with the count for Creoles is that they were not brought into the Russian culture, and almost invariably were raised in an Alaska Native culture. They did not impart Russian culture on Alaska after the departure of the Russians. And, while I do not know, I seriously doubt that the Russian surnames popular in Alaska came from that era, as opposed to post 1867 when the Russian Orthodox Church became much more active in their missionary work. An example demonstrating that would be all of the Russian names that are common on the Yukon and Kuskokwim Rivers.

Well concidering that they didn't think the Local Native populations as anything by their standards, I would doubt that they even counted a fraction of Half Russain kids as Russians at the time. Regardless, there were thousands over almost a hundred plus year time span of Russians owning Alaska.

Even in interior Alaska, there is Native Families with Russian names and have had them since the Russians were here and left. The bloodline still remains.
 
Old 05-18-2009, 12:31 AM
 
Location: Barrow, Alaska
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Well concidering that they didn't think the Local Native populations as anything by their standards, I would doubt that they even counted a fraction of Half Russain kids as Russians at the time. Regardless, there were thousands over almost a hundred plus year time span of Russians owning Alaska.
The Russians in most ways treated Alaska Native people better than Americans ever did. They treated them as equals.

You aren't reading what is being said. They did not count any half Russian children as Russian, they were counted as Creoles. And there were not thousands of them, but merely hundreds.
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