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Old 10-24-2017, 06:40 AM
 
Location: Proxima Centauri
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It's a waste of money and a lobbyist field day!

It’s A Politician’s Convention!

  • During the last convention, four out of five delegates were career politicians and Albany insiders;
  • And every politician who ran for a delegate seat that year, won a delegate seat;
  • And who ran the show? All of the convention leaders were sitting legislators;
  • Most troubling? Thanks to Citizens United, corporate special interests can spend unlimited money getting their cronies elected; and
  • Do you trust Albany insiders to do what’s right? Don’t risk it.
It’s just not necessary!

  • A process already exists to amend the state constitution, and it doesn’t cost a thing;
  • For example, the state Legislature passed an amendment in 2013 expanding casino gambling. The same process could be used for new amendments;
  • Opening the state constitution is like opening Pandora’s Box;
    You can’t predict what changes delegates will make;
  • The last time a convention took place it was a complete failure; voters rejected every proposed constitutional change; and
  • Don’t add to Albany waste.
A waste of tax dollars!

  • Experts estimate a constitutional convention will cost hundreds of millions in taxpayer dollars;
  • Lawmakers can collect salaries and pension credits as elected officials and as delegates simultaneously;
  • The last time a constitutional convention took place, it cost taxpayers millions and accomplished nothing;
  • Constitutional conventions don’t have mandatory end dates -delegates keep meeting and taxpayers keep paying; and
  • Should taxpayers fund a party for Albany insiders? No!
Labor rights at risk!

  • At risk: The right to unionize and bargain collectively. Your union’s strength could be jeopardized;
  • At risk: Workers’ compensation. Safeguard your rights if you’re injured on the job;
  • At risk: Public pension protections. The constitution guarantees your pension will be there;
  • Other states have made drastic pension changes with disastrous results for active members and retirees. Don’t let it happen here; and
  • Don’t risk your rights/your future!


This information is from the PEF website: Constitutional-Convention-Toolkit | PEF
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Old 10-24-2017, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Inis Fada
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Here's the flip side of the coin:

Why New York Needs a Constitutional Convention

Better still, do your homework before spitting out pablum and fear-mongering which unions would like to have you believe. Read the 45 page NYS Constitution.

https://www.dos.ny.gov/info/pdfs/Constitution.pdf
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Old 10-25-2017, 04:15 PM
 
Location: Proxima Centauri
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Originally Posted by OhBeeHave View Post
Here's the flip side of the coin:

Why New York Needs a Constitutional Convention

Better still, do your homework before spitting out pablum and fear-mongering which unions would like to have you believe. Read the 45 page NYS Constitution.

https://www.dos.ny.gov/info/pdfs/Constitution.pdf
When I post on the net about the need for unions, there are always one or two who say unions are no longer needed. Then there are those who are outright hostile toward public unions. Those of us who are in the union movement realize now that corporations have been recognized as people the danger is the greatest. A constitutional convention at this time would be when our enemies are the strongest.

The constitution already has an amendment process. Why isn't that good enough. I sense bitterness in your reply. Perhaps you already realize that this question is going down. FOX news has not instilled enough hate into the population for unions.
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Old 10-27-2017, 04:07 PM
 
Location: Inis Fada
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Originally Posted by Tonyafd View Post
When I post on the net about the need for unions, there are always one or two who say unions are no longer needed. Then there are those who are outright hostile toward public unions. Those of us who are in the union movement realize now that corporations have been recognized as people the danger is the greatest. A constitutional convention at this time would be when our enemies are the strongest.

The constitution already has an amendment process. Why isn't that good enough. I sense bitterness in your reply. Perhaps you already realize that this question is going down. FOX news has not instilled enough hate into the population for unions.

Bitterness? No. I've union family -- many police officers. They, like other police officers, have taken their money and retired to other states, where their pension is stimulating that economy, not ours. I've seen that among teachers, county workers, DMV employees, and town level workers as well. Why do they leave? Can't be the onorous taxes, unfunded mandates, sanctuary city policies, infringement on our 2A rights...
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