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Old 11-11-2011, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque
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Originally Posted by aries63
... need a weed barrier such as landscape cloth under the gravel to stop the weeds.
I'm just not convinced that this has any effect after the first year.

Everyone knows how much dust will accumulate over the course of a year.
After the first year, there is enough to germinate the drought-tolerant
weed seeds. As Rich mentioned, it's easier to pull with the barrier there,
but I don't see why the amount of weeds would be any less.

After a few short years, the "easier to pull" aspect will be gone also.

I have a weed barrier and often have to resort to clamps of some kind
to pull the weeds out of the very thick and rich topsoil above the
barrier. I have also talked to people in the landscaping business who
don't believe in inflicting the extra cost on customers.

If you don't irrigate the rocks then weeds will be kept to a minimum.
This "minimum" will ony require a beer-per-week to take care of.
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Old 11-11-2011, 12:21 PM
 
Location: New Mexico U.S.A.
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After a few short years, the "easier to pull" aspect will be gone also.
Not based on my actual observations of 20+ year old example which I can still show you if you come over with some beer or cheap wine or if you don't drink one of those giant chocolate chip cookies.

Tumble weed probably take about 7 inches of dirt for the root, otherwise they eventually just disappear...

Some of the nasty weeds require deep sand to fully mature.

Goatheads will produce seeds probably in an inch or two of dirt. I eliminated all my goatheads after I learned they were not a nice ground cover. Daily inspection during growing season eventually eliminated them from my yard.

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Old 11-11-2011, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Old Town
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Originally Posted by Poncho_NM View Post
Not based on my actual observations of 20+ year old example which I can still show you if you come over with some beer or cheap wine or if you don't drink one of those giant chocolate chip cookies.

Tumble weed probably take about 7 inches of dirt for the root, otherwise they eventually just disappear...

Some of the nasty weeds require deep sand to fully mature.

Goatheads will produce seeds probably in an inch or two of dirt. I eliminated all my goatheads after I learned they were not a nice ground cover. Daily inspection during growing season eventually eliminated them from my yard.


Rich
I go through the yard about once every 2 weeks and spray any new tiny weeds with weed control. Takes about 15 minutes on my 1/2 acre lot.
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Old 11-11-2011, 02:39 PM
 
Location: Clovis
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Just walking on the gravel will poke holes in the barrier (usually poly film). The roots find the hole & the barrier holds in the moisture & the weeds thrive.
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Old 11-12-2011, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque
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Originally Posted by Poncho_NM
Not based on my actual observations of 20+ year old
example which I can still show you if you come over ...
Are you comparing the pulling force both with and without the the barrier?
Note that I didn't say all the weeds require great pulling force in my yard.

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come over with some beer or cheap wine
What do you think I am? Nothing but the best for you dude.

Besides, life is too short to drink the cheap stuff.

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Originally Posted by Poncho_NM
.... or if you don't drink one of those giant chocolate chip cookies.
< boggle > .... what? .... is this code?

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Originally Posted by Poncho_NM
Tumble weed probably take about 7 inches of dirt for
the root, otherwise they eventually just disappear...
There are two species that, in my yard, aften can't be
pulled by hand if they are more than 3" above the rocks.
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Originally Posted by Poncho_NM
Goatheads will produce seeds probably in an inch or two of dirt.
Goatheads are easy to pull. I don't think they put down deep roots.

(1) There are some plants that put out wide roots, like Goatheads.
(2) Others, primarily put out deep tap roots.
(3) Still others must put out roots in all directions.

Only type (2) are probably held in check by a barrier.
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Old 11-12-2011, 07:04 PM
 
Location: New Mexico
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I'm just not convinced that this has any effect after the first year.

Everyone knows how much dust will accumulate over the course of a year.
After the first year, there is enough to germinate the drought-tolerant
weed seeds. As Rich mentioned, it's easier to pull with the barrier there,
but I don't see why the amount of weeds would be any less.
I guess there are too many variables involved (how much dust you get where you live, what kinds of weeds are in your area) to make a blanket statement. I know that we bought our house 11 years ago, the back has had cloth under the xeriscaping all this time and we have never had weed problems, have never used weed killer. Now I do remember at a friend's house where artificial turf had been installed () and a smiliar cloth was used, and the company guaranteed no weeds for several years, there was a bad weed problem still, I think because the house backed up to a street where the wind blew in all kinds of dirt and spores, but the weeds were very superficial and easy to remove. But they came up constantly and there were lots of them.
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Old 11-12-2011, 10:42 PM
 
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You could plant native shrubs that will cover nearly your entire gravel area thus obviating, or at least greatly reducing, the weed problem.
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Old 11-13-2011, 05:22 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque
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Originally Posted by aries63
I guess there are too many variables ...
Another variable is possibly the amount of weeds nearby.

If someone nearby has a backyard that is nothing but weeds, you might
not even know it because of a wall or something, but the seeds will get
to your yard from wind, birds, and other stuff.

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You could plant native shrubs that will cover nearly your entire gravel
area thus obviating, or at least greatly reducing, the weed problem.
Lots of people do this, but still they irrigate.

Why water Piñon pine trees after they are established? Why water a yucca?

< boggle > < boggle >
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