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Old 04-08-2021, 02:25 PM
 
Location: The South, by the grace of God
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I just heard of this recently but can't find it around here. Anyone had this wine ? I was told the grapes are frozen at the vineyard in South America, then transported to CA for processing. I'm having trouble wrapping my head around how freezing the grapes would effect the wine's outcome; seems like it would create a really "thin" product.
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Old 04-08-2021, 05:34 PM
 
Location: SW OK (AZ Native)
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Before he retired and moved to Florida to be near grandkids, I was friends with a TX winemaker who regularly received Lodi and Central Coast frozen grapes and/or juice for varietals he couldn't get from Texas. His zinfandel and cabernet sauvignon were both very full-bodied and expansive, his sangiovese impressed my sister greatly... and she works as an assistant winemaker in California! He kept the sangio frozen for two year until he had the right oak barrels for aging, the result was excellent.
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Old 04-17-2021, 07:59 AM
 
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Well how about that? I never would have guessed a rich wine could come from frozen grapes.
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Old 04-17-2021, 09:18 AM
 
Location: SW OK (AZ Native)
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What can be misleading is the vintage or date on the bottle. I will ask my sister about this when I can get a hold of her, but since most of her grapes are estate-grown, and California exports grapes and juice vice importing them, she may not know.

I would suspect that if the grape juice is from a 2014 vintage, and it sits in a freezer for three years and is not vinted until 2017, the vintage on the bottle is still 2014, even though the fermentation didn't start until 2017. A buyer might think the wine has aged three years longer, which is not the case. Food for thought, the next time I see a Texas winemaker who imports grapes I will ask, since TX can't grow enough grapes for all the wineries in the state. Which may be today.
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Old 04-18-2021, 09:23 AM
 
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Update: I visited an urban winery yesterday and the winemaker/owner said that the vintage is the year the grapes were picked and frozen. Which means one could have a vintage of, say, 2005 (a very good year in the US) that was fermented and bottled this year (young or green).

He also said there is an interesting benefit to freezing grapes; because the cell walls are damaged during the freeze and rupture during the thaw, the grapes produce more juice during extraction, through cryomaceration.
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Old 04-21-2021, 07:54 PM
 
Location: The South, by the grace of God
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Sluggo, you always have some interesting tidbit to share about wine. Thanks for the info- I have another wrinkle on my brain today.
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