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Old 07-24-2012, 09:28 PM
 
Location: Mid Atlantic USA
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Originally Posted by giuliaclaudiaromana View Post
We care about our country. It's YOU and your 1% corporativists that have a stranghold HERE for some sort of colonizing power. better for you reading what Kissinger thought about the richness in Europe: for him it was unacceptable that Europe, a US colony ( yes, he used this term ), could be richer than the average americans.

So please shut up if you don't know what it means having the american rating agencies who are trying to destroy the eurozone because they don't want an independent Europe with a currency that is going to undermine the dominant position of the dollar- a currency that is accepted by China, Russia, India, Iran, Brazil, and all the world that has enough of the super inflated and in debt economy of USA- an economy which won't ever pay his huge debt- the Chineses know this well. But doing war is simpler, for the average american mentality, than repaying the T bonds and the toxic assets of YOUR banks. Or you forget that the crisis of the subprimes has exploded in America first, then in 2008 Lehman collapsed, and this invested the WHOLE world?

Do you want to make the world think the crisis has been generated by Europe? Well, NO: it was a fake crisis generated in USA to stop the Euro as currency.

Or you want to make me believe that you americans aren't aware of the fact that we are ALREADY at war again? A financial war, for the moment. Between America and Europe, again.

Third time in history. America lives on foreign debts and then when it comes to pay pr they cannot, kills the creditors. Europe learned the lesson well- after the 1929 artificial crisis. The war in Europe helped USA to cancel their debts- it was not a war toward Hitler or for the 'poor jews' ( hm... )- but because the City and Wall Street had too high to be repaid debts.

Impudent people. How dare you all to think to give lessons in history and soiety to an European? We made you by flesh and bones, by DNA and by skin, we know what Devil we did.

This time we won't fall for a renegade nation with no shame.

And yes, Europe is definitely NOT friendly to USA. This is the reason why my bf wants to repair the damage.

We suffered too much because of USA.

The Europeans who don't remember, the Europeans with no memory, it is better they took a decent history book- a book written not post 1945, when the so called atlantic 'winners' rewrite our history and thrown shame on us all- allies and enemies.

We have been threated like ' The Absolute Evil' much before the muslims nowadays.

And you dare to ask why Europeans, in their genetics, remember even vaguely the pain of their grannies and granpas?

When USA lied on all, especially on historical facts, and told us we have been 'liberated', when we have been brutally colonized and in Europe there were also american concentration camps for italians, germans, and even for dissident frenches?

No, thanks. We try to have no anger, we are able to hid it decently also; but when it comes to say the truth, it's in our blood now to want to get rid of you from our land. How is for USA to sense and taste this feeling, to be hated even by the same flesh they came out?

We have nothing to learn from Americans. And maybe this is the most complete answer that guy can read about anti americanism in Europe.

And now I go because I am tired of all.
Wow, I thought your previous post what wacky, but this is just off the wall nuts. You should quit while you are ahead. And your American bf buys all this bulls... you're throwing around. Just wow.

I would classify you as a left wing Euro nutjob. Sure, how convenient to blame the US for your debt crisis, created by your generous cradle to grave nanny state. I don't have a problem with govt assistance to the poor or govt regulations, but in a lot of Europe it went too far. Time to pay the piper and give up all the perks without working hard and paying for them.

 
Old 07-24-2012, 09:38 PM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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Wow, I thought your previous post what wacky, but this is just off the wall nuts. You should quit while you are ahead. And your American bf buys all this bulls... you're throwing around. Just wow.

I would classify you as a left wing Euro nutjob. Sure, how convenient to blame the US for your debt crisis, created by your generous cradle to grave nanny state. I don't have a problem with govt assistance to the poor or govt regulations, but in a lot of Europe it went too far. Time to pay the piper and give up all the perks without working hard and paying for them.
Yes, she's a nutjob but her rants have nothing to do with being "left-wing". You are utterly clueless if you think the economic problems in some European countries are solely created by the "nanny state". This is exactly the kind of American propaganda I was talking about. The countries that have the most extensive welfare programs (Scandinavia and the Netherlands) are doing just fine and are in a much better financial position than the US, for example. And seriously, this idea of the "nanny state" is ridiculous in and of itself.
 
Old 07-24-2012, 09:49 PM
 
Location: Mid Atlantic USA
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Yes, she's a nutjob but her rants have nothing to do with being "left-wing". You are utterly clueless if you think the economic problems in some European countries are solely created by the "nanny state". This is exactly the kind of American propaganda I was talking about. The countries that have the most extensive welfare programs (Scandinavia and the Netherlands) are doing just fine and are in a much better financial position than the US, for example. And seriously, this idea of the "nanny state" is ridiculous in and of itself.
How are France, Spain, Italy, Greece, the UK doing?
 
Old 07-25-2012, 02:22 AM
 
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Wow, talk about revisionist history. You lost me with the "poor jews" statement - in quotes.
Thank you for the clarification.

Before looking at this thread today, I was trying to recall when I had last heard or seen an anti-American comment. I live in Portugal, surrounded by not only Portuguese, but large ex-patriate populations of Germans, Brazilians, English, and East Europeans (the area has a good climate and is a small tourist center.)

I could not remember any time within the past few weeks - going back a month perhaps - when I had even heard the U.S. mentioned, other than five minute snatches on the Portuguese language news programs. Considering the topic of this thread, that was something of an embarrassment, we do not seem to be doing our bit, as it were, for the cause of continental anti-Americanism.

However, this paucity, this veritable vacuum, is certainly compensated for by the voice from Roma, and this time it is not the forgiveable infallability of Joe Ratzinger. Awesome. I am impressed.

I must retire to ponder, is Europe a raging hotbed of anti-Americanism. Stuck as we are in our little town at the tippy most corner tip of the continent are we missing a tsunami of Yankee-go-homeism......hmmm. Time to go have a bica, and see if I can engage a few Germans or a Ukranian or two in the praça about this: Here I am you euro-hate wimps, you feckless failures of anti-Americanism - I bare my arrogant American chest to you, hate me.....please. C'mon, folks, please.......if only I had an American flag tatoo on my massive manly Yank busom <sigh>.
 
Old 07-25-2012, 06:13 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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OK, understandable to some degree.

But consider this, the problem of bases could be solved if the various NATO countries were to say to the U.S.: Look, we are really not interested in this alliance any longer. Take your ball and bat, and go home...and we will call it a day.

If enough Europeans feel this is a problem, then they should be looking to their own politicians to solve it by taking a proactive position. If told to leave the U.S. would object strenuously, you may be sure. But it is not going to say, NO! Although it might use economic pressure as a form of retaliation. However, if enough European citizens want the U.S. out, then these are chances that have to be taken.

I live in Europe, and I do not see hatred for the U.S. in the major media, nor among people in the the street, and I see only a small number of people wanting U.S. bases to be closed.
Aren't the US bases huge money funnels into the host nations?
 
Old 07-25-2012, 06:27 AM
 
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Aren't the US bases huge money funnels into the host nations?
It has certainly been the case with the Azores, but I think that in some places - while bases have contributed to the local economy, there has been resentment about the large number of young, on-the-loose servicemen in nearby towns and misbehaving too.

However, my point to the poster I responded to was simply, if they are a PIA, then let Europeans take the initiative with their politicians to get them closed. It clearly is not in the interest of the U.S. to close them.
 
Old 07-25-2012, 06:28 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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Yes, she's a nutjob but her rants have nothing to do with being "left-wing". You are utterly clueless if you think the economic problems in some European countries are solely created by the "nanny state". This is exactly the kind of American propaganda I was talking about. The countries that have the most extensive welfare programs (Scandinavia and the Netherlands) are doing just fine and are in a much better financial position than the US, for example. And seriously, this idea of the "nanny state" is ridiculous in and of itself.
We can't help it LindavG. We have a-holes like Michael Moore to show us what life is like in Europe. In the movie Sicko, a woman has a government paid nanny who comes to her house daily to help out. She even prepares dinner for this apparently helpless couple.
 
Old 07-25-2012, 06:30 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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It has certainly been the case with the Azores, but I think that in some places - while bases have contributed to the local economy, there has been resentment about the large number of young, on-the-loose servicemen in nearby towns and misbehaving too.

However, my point to the poster I responded to was simply, if they are a PIA, then let Europeans take the initiative with their politicians to get them closed. It clearly is not in the interest of the U.S. to close them.
It reminds me of the sentiment expressed by the Brits during WW2 when they said "The problem with you Yanks is that you are over here".
 
Old 07-25-2012, 06:32 AM
 
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How are France, Spain, Italy, Greece, the UK doing?
Mr. Cameron, the UK Prime Minister, has been a ruthless, finger-wagging lecturer at the various European gatherings. However, he has not done anything close to a great job turning the U.K. around, to put it mildly; so, his posturing is seen as a distracting performance to entertain British euroskeptics while he hopes and looks for a fix for his own country. I think the latest piece of economic bad news for him as been a 0.7 percent drop in the GDP in the second quarter.

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Old 07-25-2012, 07:07 AM
 
Location: the dairyland
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How are France, Spain, Italy, Greece, the UK doing?
France and UK doing so-so. Spain, Italy and Greece are no-brainers.
But how are Germany, Austria, the Netherlands, Belgium, Finland, Luxembourg, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, or Switzerland doing? Just fine. Ireland is recovering, too, so is Iceland. So yeah, Linda is right, it's the problems in some countries. And the ones that are known for their generous welfare systems are doing very well, so your argument is pointless.

However, I agree that the one poster up there is exaggerating a lot. Anti-Americanism mostly comes from the "We are the best country in the world, you all suck and are socialists"-attitude.
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