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Based on the American psych, anything associated with communism is rather grim. Although true, we never acknowledge the standard of living. Countries with free market opportunities do have poor standards of living in certain pockets of their populations. Haiti and Mexico are examples. These two countries are void of stalinism but are plagued with corruption and low standards of living.
Cuba, although communist, enjoy a standard of living many countries vie for. This is why the "Wet foot, dry foot" policy is questioned. Haitian and Mexican migrants aren't afforded the same privileges Cubans enjoy.
I started my aviation career flying humanitarian help out of florida to la havana a few years ago. I would say sub human conditions generally
"Darling." Don't sugar coat it buddy, Cuba was an ex-colony from America's imperial age and when the United States granted it independence in 1902, it did so with lots of strings attached, like a constitution with a clause written into stipulating the US could intervene in Cuban affairs if it didn't like what was going on, the permanent instillation of military presence at places like Guantanomo Bay, special rights for Americans, the lack of a right to negociate with any countries other than the USA etc. Cuba was independent in name only, it was still a defacto colony in 1949 and did not have true self determination, which is a major reason for the situation that we find ourselves in today. The relationship between the USA and Cuba was not that of a child and its doting parent - it was a vassal state, and we shouldn't pretend it wasn't.
So Cuba would be more like Thailand than South Korea?
"Not only was the economy weakening as a result of U.S. influence, but Cubans were also offended by what their country was becoming: a haven for prostitution, brothels and gambling"
"Daily life had developed into a relentless degradation," writes Louis Perez in his 1999 book On Becoming Cuban, "with the complicity of political leaders and public officials who operated at the behest of American interests."
I'd rather live in Cuba then be poor in centralamerica. Poor people in Central America have to deal with so much, extremely high crime, ****ty education, no health care services, working for koreans in sweatshops were getting yelled at and slapped is a common thing or working on some kind of plantation. Cuba is paradise compared to living conditions in some latin countries. I don't know why people like to **** on Cuba but are completely ok with extreme right wing facist countries whos leader often have ties with organized crime.[/quote
If I was poor and lazy with no aspirations I would rather live in Cuba, than central America (mexico is in north America) if I was just poor I would rather live in Mexico, or any central American country at least there is a chance of getting better
So your saying people in Central America are poor becuase they are lazy? You really think a poor person in Central America has a chance of getting better? The vast majority of central american poor remain poor, the levels of poverty are much deeper. Cuba at least have much higher quality of life, better health care and education.. not to mention they don't have to deal with extreme high levels of violence. I'm not defending Castros dictatorship, but there are other countries out there just as bad if not worse.
Preteens become Jineteras as early as 11, Canadians and Europeans are their main clients. Sad, but true.
Same thing could be said for Central America, Dominican Rep., and places like the Phillipines were Europeans and Americans are the mian clients, sad but true.
Antonio is right, Cuba was a quite developed place in 1959, far richer than Spain and about the same level than Canada.
As to now, unfortunately the country has been living on things nationalized to their private owners (including cars) and thanks to subsidies, the USSR, Venezuela..
The USSR dilapidated 5.000 million dollars on Cuba every year until 1989. People still wonder what happened with all that money.
To the poster above, Cuba gained independency from the US in 1912, and total independency in 1932 (elimination of platt ammendment).
As to the base of Guantanamo, it was rented property, just as the Russians took over the island for their bases (you can see them in shambles).
You are citing the Platt Ammedment, that disappeared in 1932.
So Cuba would be more like Thailand than South Korea?
"Not only was the economy weakening as a result of U.S. influence, but Cubans were also offended by what their country was becoming: a haven for prostitution, brothels and gambling"
"Daily life had developed into a relentless degradation," writes Louis Perez in his 1999 book On Becoming Cuban, "with the complicity of political leaders and public officials who operated at the behest of American interests."
Cuban history before the revolution has been manipulated ad finitum by Cold War propaganda. The Soviets spent hundreds of millions creating their particular Cuban History, containing some true but in general false and manipulated data, etc. The best Cuban History is The History of Cuba written by Hugh Thomas, English historian.
Right now, Cuba is a nice and livable place if you have money.
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Based on the American psych, anything associated with communism is rather grim. Although true, we never acknowledge the standard of living. Countries with free market opportunities do have poor standards of living in certain pockets of their populations. Haiti and Mexico are examples. These two countries are void of stalinism but are plagued with corruption and low standards of living.
Cuba, although communist, enjoy a standard of living many countries vie for. This is why the "Wet foot, dry foot" policy is questioned. Haitian and Mexican migrants aren't afforded the same privileges Cubans enjoy.
As somebody who is from Miami, I heard alot from my Cuban friends how hard it was in Cuba.
A thing that alot of tourists dont realize is that when they go to Cuba, they live in the tourist quarter - a lifestyle enclave that is totally different than the locale.
A good example will be how there are several channel / cable TV in the tourists's hotels, while in Cuba as in general, such channels are not allowed.
And aside of workers, locales are not allowed to stay in these hotels; unless of course you have plenty of money.
Cuban history before the revolution has been manipulated ad finitum by Cold War propaganda. The Soviets spent hundreds of millions creating their particular Cuban History, containing some true but in general false and manipulated data, etc. The best Cuban History is The History of Cuba written by Hugh Thomas, English historian.
Right now, Cuba is a nice and livable place if you have money.
The Soviet Union subsidized Cuba more than the United States did. Whatever "gains" that resulted from the "Revolution" wouldn't be possible without Soviet money.
So your saying people in Central America are poor becuase they are lazy? You really think a poor person in Central America has a chance of getting better? The vast majority of central american poor remain poor, the levels of poverty are much deeper. Cuba at least have much higher quality of life, better health care and education.. not to mention they don't have to deal with extreme high levels of violence. I'm not defending Castros dictatorship, but there are other countries out there just as bad if not worse.
Spics are lazy especially ones from Guatemala. ****ing spics.
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