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Old 01-08-2014, 09:17 PM
 
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Well since Black Americans were robbed of their culture and identity, can you really blame them for trying to have some sort of connection to the continent of their ancestral origins. Even you know that when looking at the entire African Diaspora, Black Americans are one of the least culturally tied groups to Africa.


The big difference is that the European Diaspora largely came from immigration while the African Diaspora was largely due to the slave trade. It's an apples to oranges comparison.
Essays on the U.S. Color Line » Blog Archive » Myths Across the Color Line
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Old 01-08-2014, 09:18 PM
 
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Most Americans are also ignorant of the European diaspora in the Americas, lol. They think Latin America is just Mestizos below the Rio Grande.
LOL!
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Old 01-09-2014, 11:28 PM
 
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Well

Its funny that no one goes around talking about the 'European diaspora' and at the same time include all the descendants of Europeans since the day Columbus arrived, including those of mixed race too.

You really don't know US whites so if I were you I will not say too much. Look at all the nostalgia among Americans for anything British. Do they show similar enthusiasm for non European cultures? All those people doing DNA ancestry tests to locate their home land, and guess what, to see if they can track down relatives!

All those "Irish", "Polish", "Italians", "Scots-Irish". When they are from Boston, Chicago, NY, or Kenucky.

Basically the only people who are unhyphenated Americans are those of British and German stock and that is because they think that they pretty much define what "American", is and judge all other groups based on this standard.

Maybe you are so intent in bashing black Americans that you don't look to see what else is there.
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Old 01-09-2014, 11:42 PM
 
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Many AAs and other Afrodiasporic people are considered white or not black or not African in many African countries when they go to visit Africa thinking that the motherland of Africa and it's people will be accepted and embraced with open arms. AAa and other Afrodiasporic peoples are in for a rude awakening when they travel to the African continent lmao.

And many African traditions brought to the Western Hemisphere had already been fused and mixed with heavy Arab, Muslim cultural traditions and influences as well as even Jewish and Roman influences since Arabs were and still are continuing to oppress and enslave Africans.

Can you cite what Arab influences are present within the various black cultures in the Americas? Really don't think that the regions from Ghana to the Congo received too much Arab influences. True the Senegambian/Guinea regions did but I don't sense that they dominate the residual African survivals which exist in the Americas. Roman and Jewish, even less likely.

I also suspect that many Afrodiasporic people don't really care what Africans think of them. A quick walk around Harlem will show you that.

Its been a long time since Roots has been shown and in the interim many Afrodiasporic people have encountered those from the socalled Motherland. Some have even been there.

Indeed what I have noticed though is that Africa itself has become very influenced by the wide array of Afrodiasporic cultures, so maybe the interest is more in the opposite direction. Also that many Africans become very disappointed when they discover that many Afrodiasporic people are as ignorant of Africa as are those who have no connection to it.

I don't get the sense that there are too many American or Caribbean blacks in NYC who are rushing to the Nigerians or Ghanaians begging to be accepted. And definitely not by the more Muslim/Arab influenced Francophones. Not to say that there is hostility, and not to say that there isn't acknowledgement of various culturally similarities. This being especially when Caribbean blacks and African interact. But the days of yearning for the "Motherland" has gone, since the last dashiki was put away.
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Old 01-10-2014, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Fortaleza, Brazil
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Black Latin Americans are not "African diaspora". Period.

Black Latin Americans are just Latin Americans, part of a Latin American culture.

The only "African diaspora" in Latin America are those few thousand individuals who where born in Africa, and migrated to Latin America in recent decades.
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Old 01-10-2014, 12:27 PM
 
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Guess many people are now getting a fuller understanding of the peoples who ended up in the region.

Diaspora refers to a group of people who live outside the area in which they had lived for a long time or in which their ancestors lived; people settled far from their ancestral homelands etc. Diaspora - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Virtually every region of the world has a diaspora - Africa, Europe, Asia etc. Even Latin America & the Caribbean have diasporas now.

It's a very basic term.
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Old 01-10-2014, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Burlington County, NJ
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Black Latin Americans are not "African diaspora". Period.

Black Latin Americans are just Latin Americans, part of a Latin American culture.

The only "African diaspora" in Latin America are those few thousand individuals who where born in Africa, and migrated to Latin America in recent decades.
No, You are wrong! Of course Black Latin Americans are part of the Diaspora. If they have African ancestry then they are part of the African Diaspora, just like any other ethnic group or race. Just because an individual is part of the African Diaspora, doesn't mean they can't be part of a Latin American culture as well.
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Old 01-10-2014, 12:40 PM
 
Location: Burlington County, NJ
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Guess many people are now getting a fuller understanding of the peoples who ended up in the region.

Diaspora refers to a group of people who live outside the area in which they had lived for a long time or in which their ancestors lived; people settled far from their ancestral homelands etc. Diaspora - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Virtually every region of the world has a diaspora - Africa, Europe, Asia etc. Even Latin America & the Caribbean have diasporas now.

It's a very basic term.
I agree.
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Old 01-10-2014, 01:15 PM
 
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Well MalaMan, this is one of the mysteries of US American way of thinking. Even when it comes to AA's, most of them have been in the USA for far longer than most other people. It is true they were severely mistreated for decades, but I think its time for those AA's with an African 'homeland nostalgia' to simply let that go, and those who don't want to let it go should seriously consider moving to one of those African countries.

Its funny that no one goes around talking about the 'European diaspora' and at the same time include all the descendants of Europeans since the day Columbus arrived, including those of mixed race too.
Essays on the U.S. Color Line » Blog Archive » Myths Across the Color Line
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Old 01-10-2014, 01:16 PM
 
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Well since Black Americans were robbed of their culture and identity, can you really blame them for trying to have some sort of connection to the continent of their ancestral origins. Even you know that when looking at the entire African Diaspora, Black Americans are one of the least culturally tied groups to Africa.


The big difference is that the European Diaspora largely came from immigration while the African Diaspora was largely due to the slave trade. It's an apples to oranges comparison.
Your claims are not entirely accurate:

Read this:

Essays on the U.S. Color Line » Blog Archive » Myths Across the Color Line
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