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Old 03-01-2014, 03:46 PM
 
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For 3 regions to have strong cultural ties, there doesn't seem to be any alliance between them. It seems like national boundaries keep them apart.
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Old 03-01-2014, 05:09 PM
 
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The three countries are under different political/economic set ups, but historically there has been much interchange between the three islands plus Venezuela.

Dominicans were a huge influence in Cuba's war of independence, in fact one of Cuba's greatest national hero is Maximo Gomez, a Dominican. Dominicans also played a huge role in Puerto Rico's independence movement during the late 1800's, at least until the US influence arrived.

Cuba's traditional upper class (old money) are almost all of Dominican descent. A similar situation exist with Puerto Rico's traditional upper class but to a lesser extent, and also with Venezuela's traditional upper class, especially with the old families from Caracas, many of whom are cousins of many DR's, PR's, and Cuba's traditional upper class families.

You will also find many celebrated intellectuals and other types of people that distinguished themselves in one way or another from all three islands present in all three islands. For example, Narciso Foxa is often celebrated by Puerto Ricans as one of the greatest poets that island has produced and that distinguished himself on a continent-wide basis, but he was born to Dominican parents. The first historian of Cuba was born in Santiago, Dominican Republic. Eugenio Maria de Hostos had a major influence on Dominican public education, but he was born in Puerto Rico. Baldorioty, who was a major critic against slavery in Puerto Rico, was born to Dominican parents. The Cantor of Niagara by the last name of Heredia considered to be the first dramatist in America was a Cuban of Dominican parents.

I wouldn't say that today there is a Spanish Caribbean solidarity, but among the intellectuals and well read people of all three islands, they are aware of the historical and cultural connection between the three islands. The further down the economic ladder you go, the greater the ignorance about this.
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Old 03-01-2014, 08:10 PM
 
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The three countries are under different political/economic set ups, but historically there has been much interchange between the three islands plus Venezuela.

Dominicans were a huge influence in Cuba's war of independence, in fact one of Cuba's greatest national hero is Maximo Gomez, a Dominican. Dominicans also played a huge role in Puerto Rico's independence movement during the late 1800's, at least until the US influence arrived.

Cuba's traditional upper class (old money) are almost all of Dominican descent. A similar situation exist with Puerto Rico's traditional upper class but to a lesser extent, and also with Venezuela's traditional upper class, especially with the old families from Caracas, many of whom are cousins of many DR's, PR's, and Cuba's traditional upper class families.

You will also find many celebrated intellectuals and other types of people that distinguished themselves in one way or another from all three islands present in all three islands. For example, Narciso Foxa is often celebrated by Puerto Ricans as one of the greatest poets that island has produced and that distinguished himself on a continent-wide basis, but he was born to Dominican parents. The first historian of Cuba was born in Santiago, Dominican Republic. Eugenio Maria de Hostos had a major influence on Dominican public education, but he was born in Puerto Rico. Baldorioty, who was a major critic against slavery in Puerto Rico, was born to Dominican parents. The Cantor of Niagara by the last name of Heredia considered to be the first dramatist in America was a Cuban of Dominican parents.

I wouldn't say that today there is a Spanish Caribbean solidarity, but among the intellectuals and well read people of all three islands, they are aware of the historical and cultural connection between the three islands. The further down the economic ladder you go, the greater the ignorance about this.
Antillean Confederation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 03-02-2014, 05:16 PM
 
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The Antillean Confederation will never happen.

Cuba is closer to Venezuela for obvious reasons, Puerto Rico to the USA for also obvious reasons, and the Dominican Republic is integrating to Central America (minus Costa Rica and Panama). As long that the three countries are aiming towards different ideals, an alliance among the three will never take place.

The alternative is for the USA to take over all the two largest ones and turn them into larger versions of Puerto Rico.

Another alternative is for all three of them to return to Spain.

Anyway, these are all impossibilities for now.
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Old 03-02-2014, 06:19 PM
 
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The alternative is for the USA to take over all the two largest ones and turn them into larger versions of Puerto Rico.
Luis Munoz Marin was a big proponent of this, according to him the only way Latin America would know true stability and prosperity is to follow Puerto Rico into union with the United States. He strongly urged LBJ to annex the Dominican Republic following the 1965 intervention.

Alot of people also forget that the vote by the US Senate to annex the Dominican Republic failed by only a single vote in 1868 over a dispute with then President Grant.

As for Cuba, once the Castro's fall I would not be surprised if the Miami Exiles hijack the place and try to turn it into another Puerto Rico like what the American sugarcane plantation owners and missionaries did in Hawaii in 1893-98.
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Old 03-03-2014, 08:28 AM
 
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The Antillean Confederation will never happen.

Cuba is closer to Venezuela for obvious reasons, Puerto Rico to the USA for also obvious reasons, and the Dominican Republic is integrating to Central America (minus Costa Rica and Panama). As long that the three countries are aiming towards different ideals, an alliance among the three will never take place.

The alternative is for the USA to take over all the two largest ones and turn them into larger versions of Puerto Rico.

Another alternative is for all three of them to return to Spain.

Anyway, these are all impossibilities for now.
Remember, Puerto Rico is not a country. It is a territory (not a state) of the USA and is thus controlled from Washington DC.
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Old 03-03-2014, 08:44 AM
 
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The three countries are under different political/economic set ups, but historically there has been much interchange between the three islands plus Venezuela.

Dominicans were a huge influence in Cuba's war of independence, in fact one of Cuba's greatest national hero is Maximo Gomez, a Dominican. Dominicans also played a huge role in Puerto Rico's independence movement during the late 1800's, at least until the US influence arrived.

Cuba's traditional upper class (old money) are almost all of Dominican descent. A similar situation exist with Puerto Rico's traditional upper class but to a lesser extent, and also with Venezuela's traditional upper class, especially with the old families from Caracas, many of whom are cousins of many DR's, PR's, and Cuba's traditional upper class families.

You will also find many celebrated intellectuals and other types of people that distinguished themselves in one way or another from all three islands present in all three islands. For example, Narciso Foxa is often celebrated by Puerto Ricans as one of the greatest poets that island has produced and that distinguished himself on a continent-wide basis, but he was born to Dominican parents. The first historian of Cuba was born in Santiago, Dominican Republic. Eugenio Maria de Hostos had a major influence on Dominican public education, but he was born in Puerto Rico. Baldorioty, who was a major critic against slavery in Puerto Rico, was born to Dominican parents. The Cantor of Niagara by the last name of Heredia considered to be the first dramatist in America was a Cuban of Dominican parents.

I wouldn't say that today there is a Spanish Caribbean solidarity, but among the intellectuals and well read people of all three islands, they are aware of the historical and cultural connection between the three islands. The further down the economic ladder you go, the greater the ignorance about this.
Points given. Very spot on post. I think among the academics and the elite there is solidarity but among the vast majority no.
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Old 03-31-2014, 03:29 PM
 
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The three countries are under different political/economic set ups, but historically there has been much interchange between the three islands plus Venezuela.

Dominicans were a huge influence in Cuba's war of independence, in fact one of Cuba's greatest national hero is Maximo Gomez, a Dominican. Dominicans also played a huge role in Puerto Rico's independence movement during the late 1800's, at least until the US influence arrived.

Cuba's traditional upper class (old money) are almost all of Dominican descent. A similar situation exist with Puerto Rico's traditional upper class but to a lesser extent, and also with Venezuela's traditional upper class, especially with the old families from Caracas, many of whom are cousins of many DR's, PR's, and Cuba's traditional upper class families.

You will also find many celebrated intellectuals and other types of people that distinguished themselves in one way or another from all three islands present in all three islands. For example, Narciso Foxa is often celebrated by Puerto Ricans as one of the greatest poets that island has produced and that distinguished himself on a continent-wide basis, but he was born to Dominican parents. The first historian of Cuba was born in Santiago, Dominican Republic. Eugenio Maria de Hostos had a major influence on Dominican public education, but he was born in Puerto Rico. Baldorioty, who was a major critic against slavery in Puerto Rico, was born to Dominican parents. The Cantor of Niagara by the last name of Heredia considered to be the first dramatist in America was a Cuban of Dominican parents.

I wouldn't say that today there is a Spanish Caribbean solidarity, but among the intellectuals and well read people of all three islands, they are aware of the historical and cultural connection between the three islands. The further down the economic ladder you go, the greater the ignorance about this.
Hi! I have ready quite a few posts by you and I like them all. You are indeed a very cultured and well informed person. I feel curious, are you Cuban?
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Old 10-25-2014, 12:55 AM
 
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For 3 regions to have strong cultural ties, there doesn't seem to be any alliance between them. It seems like national boundaries keep them apart.
This documentary addresses connections between the Spanish speaking Caribbean, Puerto Rico and Cuba in particular:

Cuba-Puerto Rico Trailer - YouTube
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Old 10-25-2014, 12:59 AM
 
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For 3 regions to have strong cultural ties, there doesn't seem to be any alliance between them. It seems like national boundaries keep them apart.
Similarities and bonds and overview of threads and overlaps between DR, PR, and Cuba and it's peoples and cultures

Dominicans, Puerto Ricans and Cubans - YouTube
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