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I would love to see a Californian Pride Parade or maybe a Marylander Pride Parade somewhere in the USA.
In the mean time, enjoy the Puerto Rican Day Parade in NYC:
Look at the love they have for the flag of their country and the identity of their nation.
Look, you can have your own opinions but you can't have your own facts. The factual reality is, no matter how many emotionally charged videos you post of people who "believe" Puerto Rico is a country, the fact still remains that it's not. As WIHS2006 said, most in Puerto Rico support remaining a part of the USA. Where they disagree is how they should remain. Are their independence movements in PR? Sure there are as there are in several US states. In fact places like Hawaii, Alaska and Vermont have stronger secessionist movements than PR does.
Look, you can have your own opinions but you can't have your own facts. The factual reality is, no matter how many emotionally charged videos you post of people who "believe" Puerto Rico is a country, the fact still remains that it's not. As WIHS2006 said, most in Puerto Rico support remaining a part of the USA. Where they disagree is how they should remain. Are their independence movements in PR? Sure there are as there are in several US states. In fact places like Hawaii, Alaska and Vermont have stronger secessionist movements than PR does.
Ding ding ding ... the independence movement has been dead since Luis Munoz Marin came along and replaced fantasy with reality. The Alaskan Independence Party gets a larger % of the vote than all of the pro-independence parties combined in Puerto Rico. In the 2012 election the three pro-independence parties combined got a whopping total of 4.6% of the vote ... in comparison the two pro-unionist parties got 94.9%.
Ive been to the PR Day Parade and most of the people in the parade and watching the parade are NOT Puerto Ricans. They are mixed race Nuyoricans who are more Black than Puerto Rican. 95% of them can't even speak Spanish, find Puerto Rico on a map, or even tell you what region of the world Puerto Rico is in. It's absurd.
Look, you can have your own opinions but you can't have your own facts. The factual reality is, no matter how many emotionally charged videos you post of people who "believe" Puerto Rico is a country, the fact still remains that it's not.
Please find 'emotionally charged videos' of people from actual states showing pride in their country (not USA) and nation as the Puerto Ricans do. I would prefer videos of any 'state people' celebrating their 'stateness' in any other state, because Puerto Ricans show their pride in their country and nation in various states with their Puerto Rican Day parades.
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As WIHS2006 said, most in Puerto Rico support remaining a part of the USA. Where they disagree is how they should remain. Are their independence movements in PR? Sure there are as there are in several US states.
Puerto Rico is not a part of the USA, its a country with a special relationship with the United States. If it was a part of the USA, it wouldn't have full independence as an actual option. That Puerto Ricans continue to vote in favor of the current special relationship they have with the USA, instead of fully joining the USA or becoming fully independent, is a testament that they love their Puerto Rican country and identity, but also love the billions of dollars they get from the USA tax payers. Its a sweet deal.
No federal income tax, can't vote for the president, gets a statutory citizenship instead of a full fledged U.S. citizenship; but gets billions in US tax payers money every single year and most of the population lives on welfare/food stamps/social U.S. tax payers funded programs. Like I said, its a sweet deal.
One of the biggest fears that keep Puerto Ricans from voting in favor of fully joining the USA is that many think they will lose their identity and Spanish will disappear as their language. Its the very first thing most Puerto Ricans say when you ask them why they don't vote to become a state already. Every time you give them the option of becoming fully integrated into the USA or fully independent or stay the same, they opt for staying the same. Their love of their country keeps them from fully joining the USA but their love of the billions of US tax payers dollars keeps them from opting for full independence.
Puerto Ricans are reacting as anyone would if they were in their shoes.
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In fact places like Hawaii, Alaska and Vermont have stronger secessionist movements than PR does.
Why are you even mentioning anything about fully USA states? Everyone knows secession is simply not possible. Once a state, remains a state forever because the United States is unalienable. Puerto Rico, on the other hand, does have the option of independence because they are not an incorporated territory of the United States, they are a country that has a special relationship with the USA, which I already explained in a previous post.
Please find 'emotionally charged videos' of people from actual states showing pride in their country (not USA) and nation as the Puerto Ricans do. I would prefer videos of any 'state people' celebrating their 'stateness' in any other state, because Puerto Ricans show their pride in their country and nation in various states with their Puerto Rican Day parades
Once again, these are what people believe, this isn't any sort of fact.
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Puerto Rico is not a part of the USA, its a country with a special relationship with the United States. If it was a part of the USA, it wouldn't have full independence as an actual option.
This entire statement wreaks of cognitive dissonance. let me nail some facts down for you then, I must move on, I refuse to debate reality any longer:
Fact: Puerto Rico is governed directly from Washington DC
Fact: Puerto Rico cannot establish trade or diplomatic relationships with other countries independently.
Fact: the president of the United States Of America is head of state of Puerto Rico. The relationship is nothing like the British Commonwealth in any way.
Fact: The people of Puerto Rico have overwhelmingly supported remaining part of the USA.
Fact: Independence isn't needed if already a sovereign country.
Also, you are not complete when you say independence wouldn't be an option if it were part of the USA. The US constitution actually does not prohibit secession. it doesn't even mention it. Either way, PR doesn't have full constitutional protection even it secession were mentioned simply because, it is governed directly by the federal government.
Fact: Puerto Rico is governed directly from Washington DC
Fact, no one denied this. Its part of the special relationship that the country of Puerto Rico has with the United States.
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Fact: Puerto Rico cannot establish trade or diplomatic relationships with other countries independently.
See the first response in this post.
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Fact: the president of the United States Of America is head of state of Puerto Rico. The relationship is nothing like the British Commonwealth in any way.
See first response...
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Fact: The people of Puerto Rico have overwhelmingly supported remaining part of the USA.
The Puerto Rican people support the special relationship with the USA. If they supported being a part of the USA, Puerto Rico would had become a state a long time ago as Hawaii did. The fact that Puerto Rico is not a state, but its not an independent country, clearly shows what I have already said in previous posts.
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Fact: Independence isn't needed if already a sovereign country.
Nice way to conveniently ignore that I've been saying that Puerto Rico is a country but not independent yet.
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Also, you are not complete when you say independence wouldn't be an option if it were part of the USA. The US constitution actually does not prohibit secession. it doesn't even mention it. Either way, PR doesn't have full constitutional protection even it secession were mentioned simply because, it is governed directly by the federal government.
Please find 'emotionally charged videos' of people from actual states showing pride in their country (not USA) and nation as the Puerto Ricans do. I would prefer videos of any 'state people' celebrating their 'stateness' in any other state, because Puerto Ricans show their pride in their country and nation in various states with their Puerto Rican Day parades.
Puerto Rico is not a part of the USA, its a country with a special relationship with the United States. If it was a part of the USA, it wouldn't have full independence as an actual option. That Puerto Ricans continue to vote in favor of the current special relationship they have with the USA, instead of fully joining the USA or becoming fully independent, is a testament that they love their Puerto Rican country and identity, but also love the billions of dollars they get from the USA tax payers. Its a sweet deal.
No federal income tax, can't vote for the president, gets a statutory citizenship instead of a full fledged U.S. citizenship; but gets billions in US tax payers money every single year and most of the population lives on welfare/food stamps/social U.S. tax payers funded programs. Like I said, its a sweet deal.
One of the biggest fears that keep Puerto Ricans from voting in favor of fully joining the USA is that many think they will lose their identity and Spanish will disappear as their language. Its the very first thing most Puerto Ricans say when you ask them why they don't vote to become a state already. Every time you give them the option of becoming fully integrated into the USA or fully independent or stay the same, they opt for staying the same. Their love of their country keeps them from fully joining the USA but their love of the billions of US tax payers dollars keeps them from opting for full independence.
Puerto Ricans are reacting as anyone would if they were in their shoes.
Why are you even mentioning anything about fully USA states? Everyone knows secession is simply not possible. Once a state, remains a state forever because the United States is unalienable. Puerto Rico, on the other hand, does have the option of independence because they are not an incorporated territory of the United States, they are a country that has a special relationship with the USA, which I already explained in a previous post.
Your post is filled with so many fallacies and outright lies I don't even know where to begin
The word "commonwealth" or "estado libre asociado" in the context of Puerto Rico's status is meaningless, it means absolutely nothing. I cannot believe that in 2014 people still believe in this "country with special relationship" myth nonsense.
Of course I am willing to bet big, big bucks that the proud independenista AntonioR doesent even live in Puerto Rico! Some Puerto Rican patriot he is
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