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Old 08-17-2014, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Irvine, California
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Maybe it has nothing to do with the country or their leaders, but perhaps more people are being critical of Israel because they can. In the US it seems one is automatically labeled as an anti-Semite for saying anything negative of Israel.
The US is a land of extremes in this regard. You can't be against illegal immigration without being racist against Hispanics, you can't be against welfare fraud without being racist against blacks, you can't support traditional marriage without being a homophobe, etc...

This is mostly due to mass media looking for ratings, politicians looking for votes, and other types of commentators looking to create outrage and make money.

Granted, I'm actually quite Pro-Israel I'm not looking to take a stance on this issue, I'm just saying how it got to be that way here culturally.
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Old 08-17-2014, 02:06 PM
 
Location: Paranaguá, Brazil
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Maybe it has nothing to do with the country or their leaders, but perhaps more people are being critical of Israel because they can. In the US it seems one is automatically labeled as an anti-Semite for saying anything negative of Israel.
It's true. Over here we can criticize Israel and no one says anything. Most Brazilian Jews have no desire to live in Israel. They consider themselves Brazilian. Until the past few months, Brazil and Israel had relatively good relations.
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Old 08-18-2014, 08:54 AM
 
Location: Vernon, British Columbia
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It's true. Over here we can criticize Israel and no one says anything. Most Brazilian Jews have no desire to live in Israel. They consider themselves Brazilian. Until the past few months, Brazil and Israel had relatively good relations.
Same goes for Jews living in the USA or Canada. However, many Jews living in Iraq and Egypt are giving up after generations of persecution, and moving to Israel. It's a good thing Israel exists because it gives them a place to go. The Copts in Egyptians (the ethnic Egyptian race) have no where to go as they are being persecuted and slowly eliminated from the population.

From what I understand Brazil is more tolerant toward Jews than even many nations in Europe such as Sweden where Jews are facing increased persecution of late.
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Old 08-18-2014, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Somewhere flat in Mississippi
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Same goes for Jews living in the USA or Canada. However, many Jews living in Iraq and Egypt are giving up after generations of persecution, and moving to Israel.
I thought the Jews in Egypt and Iraq left long ago.

History of the Jews in Egypt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

History of the Jews in Iraq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 08-18-2014, 10:05 AM
 
Location: Vernon, British Columbia
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From your links: "As a result, many Egyptian Jews emigrated abroad. By 1950, nearly 40% of Egypt's Jewish population had emigrated.[28] About 14,000 of them went to Israel, and the rest to other countries."

So no, they didn't all go.

They are almost all gone now though:
"In 2014, Nadia Haroun, 59, the deputy Egyptian Jewish community head and the community's youngest member, died of a heart attack. At the time of her death, the Jewish population in Egypt was estimated to be less than 40, of whom 11 (all women) lived in Cairo. Marriage restriction have caused many members to convert to other religions. Because a Jewish man cannot marry a Muslim woman, but a Muslim man may marry a Jewish woman, the community has lost many male members who are no longer Jewish on official documents.[31]"
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Old 08-18-2014, 12:56 PM
 
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What's up with Latin Americans and Israel?

Perhaps, this article has some of the answer.

"The Latin American response to Israeli action may be the first and, so far, the loudest, but some analysts say that the Latin American countries may be speaking out against Israel more for political reasons than out of a concern for human rights.

With Israel being one of the U.S.’s most important allies, condemnation of the situation in Gaza is to a degree painted with an anti-U.S. sentiment and solidarity with other developing countries.

“There are ulterior motives at work here,” Hakim suggested. “There’s the ideological conflict here. It’s the Third World versus the First here – or, better, the Third World versus the U.S.”
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Old 08-18-2014, 03:28 PM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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What's up with Latin Americans and Israel?

Perhaps, this article has some of the answer.

"The Latin American response to Israeli action may be the first and, so far, the loudest, but some analysts say that the Latin American countries may be speaking out against Israel more for political reasons than out of a concern for human rights.

With Israel being one of the U.S.’s most important allies, condemnation of the situation in Gaza is to a degree painted with an anti-U.S. sentiment and solidarity with other developing countries.

“There are ulterior motives at work here,” Hakim suggested. “There’s the ideological conflict here. It’s the Third World versus the First here – or, better, the Third World versus the U.S.


Great article, sums it up perfectly. They don't give a flying f--k about the Palestinians, they just want to rile up tensions against the big bad Yankee Gringo imperialist and his Israeli sidekick.

It's the same reason why the Cubans are always babbling about Puerto Rico being a "colony" but ignore the Russians in Ukraine, the Chinese in Tibet, etc. It's about antagonizing the United States/western Europe/Israel/<insert name of 1st world country here>. Nobody asked the Tibetans if they want to be Chinese ... conversely 95% of Puerto Ricans have freely and democratically on four occasions between 1967 and 2012 voted to remain under US sovereignty in some form or another.
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Old 08-20-2014, 12:54 PM
 
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Great article, sums it up perfectly. They don't give a flying f--k about the Palestinians, they just want to rile up tensions against the big bad Yankee Gringo imperialist and his Israeli sidekick.

It's the same reason why the Cubans are always babbling about Puerto Rico being a "colony" but ignore the Russians in Ukraine, the Chinese in Tibet, etc. It's about antagonizing the United States/western Europe/Israel/<insert name of 1st world country here>. Nobody asked the Tibetans if they want to be Chinese ... conversely 95% of Puerto Ricans have freely and democratically on four occasions between 1967 and 2012 voted to remain under US sovereignty in some form or another.
Don't forget about this very important part of the article.

"With Israel being one of the U.S.’s most important allies, condemnation of the situation in Gaza is to a degree painted with an anti-U.S. sentiment and solidarity with other developing countries."

A lot of EMERGING ECONOMIES, feel like they're getting a raw deal from the established economies and some like the BRICS are moving towards building their own institutions. Anti-imperialism is not the only factor.

Also criticizing a gov't does not necessarily mean hate for an entire ethnic group or people.

"A major Jewish rights group has called out Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro for what they allege is inciting fear and violence against Jews in the South American nation in the midst of a bloody war in the Gaza Strip.

B’nai B’rith International asked Maduro and other Venezuelan officials to cease making inflammatory remarks against Israel, including ones that accused Israel of “a war of extermination against the Palestinian people,” and reportedly comparing Israel’s incursion into the Gaza Strip to the Nazis at Auschwitz concentration camp.

Maduro may be the most vocal state leader when it comes to criticizing Israeli actions in Gaza, but there is growing anti-Israeli sentiment throughout Latin America as the death toll in the conflict between Israel and Hamas continues to mount. "
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Old 08-20-2014, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Somewhere flat in Mississippi
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"Maduro may be the most vocal state leader when it comes to criticizing Israeli actions in Gaza, but there is growing anti-Israeli sentiment throughout Latin America as the death toll in the conflict between Israel and Hamas continues to mount. "
I wonder how many people have died violently in Venezuela since the chavistas came to power.
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Old 08-21-2014, 08:05 AM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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I wonder how many people have died violently in Venezuela since the chavistas came to power.


Or as a result of their failed economic policies ...
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