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That said, yes, there are more armed robberies here in Northeastern Brazil than I wish there were, but that's not an exclusivity of the Northeast, the number of armed robberies is the same in all of Brazil. And armedd robberies have nothing to do with homicides, so don't expect those "most dangerous places" rankings to even take in account armed robberies.
Well said...not all armed robberies result in murder (though unfortunately some do), and not all murders by any means are the result of armed robbery (though some indeed are).
Well said...not all armed robberies result in murder (though unfortunately some do), and not all murders by any means are the result of armed robbery (though some indeed are).
They don't but more and more they are becoming more violent, at least here they are.
Virtually every armed intrusion into a home here results in either a shooting or at the very least the owners being tied up and tortured aka: pistol whipped and having their faces beaten to a pulp and insulted and threatened.
Consider it a blessing down here if they break in and dont find you inside your home when they do....trust me. You get caught in an armed robbery inside your home down here, you're in for the WORST day of your life. The guys involved in these brazen house intrusions are usually the most hardened "chorros" not what the argentines call "las ratas" or the petty, cowardly, low risk thieves and thievery.
On the streets it's not often the case, unless if the police show up or you resist, then they'll most likely bust you upside the head with revolver or in some cases bust a cap but usally you get punched in the face. Here a few times folks have been involved in an armed robbery on the street and suddenly the police show up, a shoot out ensues and you're caught in the crossfire.
Usually the street muggings here involve two individuals, and usually on a motorbike, or on foot. They drive past, circle back ( that's when you know your screwed ) one guy jumps off with the gun/knife takes what you've got or busts you in the face, pushes you down, takes what you got then they run, hop on the bike and are gone in a flash. It's amazing how agile and quick these kids are. They are VERY good at what they do, they get PLENTY of practice and training...it's all they aspire too.
ALOT of murders here are also revenge killings "ajuste de cuentas" they call them...these are also common.
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They don't but more and more they are becoming more violent, at least here they are.
Virtually every armed intrusion into a home here results in either a shooting or at the very least the owners being tied up and tortured aka: pistol whipped and having their faces beaten to a pulp and insulted and threatened.
Consider it a blessing down here if they break in and dont find you inside your home when they do....trust me. You get caught in an armed robbery inside your home down here, you're in for the WORST day of your life. The guys involved in these brazen house intrusions are usually the most hardened "chorros" not what the argentines call "las ratas" or the petty, cowardly, low risk thieves and thievery.
On the streets it's not often the case, unless if the police show up or you resist, then they'll most likely bust you upside the head with revolver or in some cases bust a cap but usally you get punched in the face. Here a few times folks have been involved in an armed robbery on the street and suddenly the police show up, a shoot out ensues and you're caught in the crossfire.
Usually the street muggings here involve two individuals, and usually on a motorbike, or on foot. They drive past, circle back ( that's when you know your screwed ) one guy jumps off with the gun/knife takes what you've got or busts you in the face, pushes you down, takes what you got then they run, hop on the bike and are gone in a flash. It's amazing how agile and quick these kids are. They are VERY good at what they do, they get PLENTY of practice and training...it's all they aspire too.
ALOT of murders here are also revenge killings "ajuste de cuentas" they call them...these are also common.
In that sense, I guess, the carjackers have more in common with the home invaders than with the street muggers?
You're correct up to a point. The sad fact, however, is that the political systems of such countries as Argentina and Brazil have always been corrupt and have had a negative legacy left behind by the Spanish and Portuguese, as opposed to something like the British system (e.g.
The military coups and dictatorships, and everything else EricOldTime describes have merely added to these countries woes but have not been the ultimate causes. Perhaps with a Catalan or Basque or northern Italian as well as with a British or Scandinavian or Swiss legacy, there wouldn't have been such profoundly negative politics.
Your arguments are very simplistic to the point that makes people puke. When you say Brasil and Argentina have always been corrupt, you are really saying that they have some mental and genetic anomaly. The fact of the matter is that these countries for the last 150 years have been mere colonies of powerful foreign political and economic forces. These powerful forces take these steps to control governments.
1 Offer brives to people in government to follow their agenda, many times that's all it takes.
2 If step one fails, then they create insurrection, protests, chaos and back the adversaries.
3. if step two fails, then they rely on hit men and murder the leaders.
That has been really the history of LA for the last 150 years. Hence the instability, however things have been changing for the better in the last 10 to 15 years and things are looking up.
Too bad I can not say the same thing for the crumbling European Union.
Your arguments are very simplistic to the point that makes people puke. When you say Brasil and Argentina have always been corrupt, you are really saying that they have some mental and genetic anomaly. The fact of the matter is that these countries for the last 150 years have been mere colonies of powerful foreign political and economic forces.
Again, have you taken a careful look at the Anglosphere Primer, which elaborates on my arguments? Do you think that it's just my arguments or also the Anglosphere Primer that makes people puke?
Alternatively, I highly recommend the book "Jews, Confucians, and Protestants: Cultural Capital and the End of Multiculturalism" by Lawrence Harrison. He argues pretty much the same thing as the Anglosphere Primer, and posits that on the whole, Protestant societies like the US or Australia have done better than Catholic societies, and that for Catholic societies like those in Latin America to become better off, there's a cultural change that's required, something that has been achieved in Quebec, Ireland, Italy, and Spain, but not Latin America (possibly except Chile).
On another matter, Australia, New Zealand, and Canada have been mere colonies of powerful foreign political and economic forces for the last 150 years and they've been doing just fine, thank you very much!
On another matter, Australia, New Zealand, and Canada have been mere colonies of powerful foreign political and economic forces for the last 150 years and they've been doing just fine, thank you very much!
As far as the Catholic culture. Catholic France refused industrialization in the beginning because they thought it was inhumane to put people (including women and children) to work under terrible conditions in labor factories, plus the French could afford no to industrialize. On the other hand Protestant England was one of the poorest countries if not the poorest before industrialization they could not afford not to industrialize. As you know they have a harsh climate, and terrain compared to Catholic Mediterranean countries. So the English Protestant people were willing to summit themselves to those unbelievable conditions; thousands died, remember the bubonic plague, forced child labor, etc.
Catholic Spain became the first super power that dominated the seas hundreds of years before Protestant England. I can go on and on; so again your argument is not valid.
Your arguments are very simplistic to the point that makes people puke. When you say Brasil and Argentina have always been corrupt, you are really saying that they have some mental and genetic anomaly. The fact of the matter is that these countries for the last 150 years have been mere colonies of powerful foreign political and economic forces. These powerful forces take these steps to control governments.
1 Offer brives to people in government to follow their agenda, many times that's all it takes.
2 If step one fails, then they create insurrection, protests, chaos and back the adversaries.
3. if step two fails, then they rely on hit men and murder the leaders.
That has been really the history of LA for the last 150 years. Hence the instability, however things have been changing for the better in the last 10 to 15 years and things are looking up.
Too bad I can not say the same thing for the crumbling European Union.
Ok, but this is only after the Second World War. Before that, Australia and New Zealand were totally dependent on the UK; Canada, on the UK and the US.
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As far as the Catholic culture. Catholic France refused industrialization in the beginning because they thought it was inhumane to put people (including women and children) to work under terrible conditions in labor factories, plus the French could afford no to industrialize. On the other hand Protestant England was one of the poorest countries if not the poorest before industrialization they could not afford not to industrialize. As you know they have a harsh climate, and terrain compared to Catholic Mediterranean countries. So the English Protestant people were willing to summit themselves to those unbelievable conditions; thousands died, remember the bubonic plague, forced child labor, etc.
Catholic Spain became the first super power that dominated the seas hundreds of years before Protestant England. I can go on and on; so again your argument is not valid.
Let's say, at the very least, that Protestant colonies in the New World and Oceania (with the partial exception of Australia) have fostered family farms in a way that their Catholic counterparts (Latin America and Quebec) haven't. The existence of family farms - as opposed to the latifundia-minifundia system - has had a huge impact on the long-term political and economic development of a given place. The family farm system has ensured more equal development (to a degree at least) in southern Brazil, which received a lot of German immigrants; they tried it in Santa Fe and Entre Rios provinces in Argentina in the later 19th century, only to discontinue it early in the 20th century.
But the British established successful daughter countries in the form of the United States, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. Sure, the British exploited the aboriginal peoples in each of those places (and the aboriginals are just about at the bottom of the social scale in those places), but the settlers who came to those areas went on to become among the most successful and developed countries in the world. Unfortunately, not as much came out of [mostly Southern] European settlement in Argentina, Uruguay, or southern Brazil, or elsewhere in Latin America in that regard. Perhaps if Catalans or Basques had founded colonies in the Southern Cone area plus perhaps the rest of Latin America instead of Castilians and Portuguese, and the settlers were largely Catalan or Basque, then those colonies' success would have at least approached the US/Canada and Australia/NZ in that way (again, notwithstanding the aboriginals). Translation: perhaps less crime in a Catalan or Basque Latin America than in our world's Latin America.
The thing about the British is that they, unlike the Castilians or the Portuguese, have a long-time heritage of democracy, civil society, and so forth dating back at least to the Magna Carta. It may not be perfect, but still. The British founded colonies not so much to exploit but to settle, whereas the Castilians and the Portuguese were founding colonies to exploit more than to settle. Plus, for a long time, Spain and Portugal were both way more backwards economically and so forth than Great Britain, even if Catalonia and the Basque country have both been well ahead of the rest of Spain for all this time.
There were plenty of Basque people who settle in the Americas. Many of us have those weird Basque last names in our family tree. The spelling was changed of course.
Now about the British, German, Belgians and all those fun people. I'm not so sure they would have settled in masses in such hot place. That's not what they did when they colonized Africa and I wouldn't say the left a great legacy there.
There were plenty of Basque people who settle in the Americas. Many of us have those weird Basque last names in our family tree. The spelling was changed of course.
Now about the British, German, Belgians and all those fun people. I'm not so sure they would have settled in masses in such hot place. That's not what they did when they colonized Africa and I wouldn't say the left a great legacy there.
Most of the elite, wealthy ruling class of Chile are of Basque decent...as was Chilean dictator "Augusto Pinochet" and alot of these familes still sway alot of power in Chile today.
Also quite a few Basques came to Argentina as well. It's fairly common to hear Basque surnames not only in Chile but also Argentina. Brazil I'm not so sure about.
Brazil is an interesting case...even colonies that were estblished by "Confederate soldiers and officers" and their families that fled the US after the advent of the Civil War. They came to Brazil, established colonies and thrived. Today their decendents still celebrate their "southern confederate heritage" in local festivals.
I'd dare say 95% of most folks back in the states don't even know this or that these colonies even excist or existed.
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