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You're right, there are more South Americans in the US than anywhere else outside South America.
They just aren't as common outside of Florida or NYC, but still there are plenty.
In Spain the number of south Americans doesn't even reach one million as I showed on the link above.
Another factor that contributes to South Americans not being as easily noticeable is that many might seem just white or black which differs from the Hispanic look we're accustomed to here in America. That doesn't mean there aren't many!
These communities alone make over a million in Spain:
South Americans in Spain in 2014 according to the INE Ecuadorians 212,000
Colombians 172,000
Bolivians 126,000
Peru 83,000
Argentina 80,000
Brazil 63,000
Venezuelans 44,000
Uruguay 29,000
Chile 28,000
South Americans in the US
Spain: Around 800,000 South Americans United States: Around 2,800,000 South Americans
Where do you got these figures? I'm looking at the INE website, and I got 422.186 for Ecuador, 165.893 for Venezuela and 188.325 for Peru. The number for Colombia is the only one that matches.
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Originally Posted by cleff89
South Americans in Spain in 2014 according to the INE Ecuadorians 212,000
Colombians 172,000
Bolivians 126,000
Peru 83,000
Argentina 80,000
Brazil 63,000
Venezuelans 44,000
Uruguay 29,000
Chile 28,000
These numbers correspond to people who hasn't acquired Spanish citizenship. The numbers I gave above correspond to people born in these countries.
Where do you got the number? I'm looking at the INE website, and I got 422.186 for Ecuador, 165.893 for Venezuela and 188.325 for Peru. The number for Colombia is the only one that matches.
I posted the figures from INE too
Have in mind the number of South Americans is declining rather than growing in Spain.
Where do you got these figures? I'm looking at the INE website, and I got 422.186 for Ecuador, 165.893 for Venezuela and 188.325 for Peru. The number for Colombia is the only one that matches.
What ever the case maybe, it is well over a million
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Originally Posted by cleff89
Apparently my two posts right above yours showing South Americans are leaving Spain by the hordes and the first one with official 2014 numbers from Spain's census is to be ignored.
Your link was only the number of foreign nationals and not South American born naturalized Spanish citizens. That doesn't include illegals either which is estimated to be in the hundreds of thousands.
Your link was only the number of foreign nationals and not South American born naturalized Spanish citizens. That doesn't include illegals either which is estimated to be in the hundreds of thousands.
In Europe it's not as easy to be an illegal migrant because you need your DNI for just about everything. Even renting a home requires you to show your DNI
They are not like us here in the states, over there they have serious nanny states and everything is controlled by the government.
Renting an apartment it's not like here where you go see the place and you rent it from the owner. Over there you have to go to the office of population, get registered and then get on the list so you can see homes, and to be registered you have to have a DNI.
No DNI no registration for you at the office of population.
It's a painful process which makes European countries unbelievably bureaucratic and frustrating to navigate! However it makes sense as that is how the government keeps track of its citizens and provides them with benefits, health care etc. The cons it's the bureaucracy, I don't even want to remember!
Venezuela has a collapsed health care system, a collapsed economy, and millions suffering from starvation.
Check the news, Venezuelans barely even have any food to eat, crime is so bad it's the most dangerous country on the planet, the economy is paralyzed, people are dying from things elsewhere in the world you get treated for.
I seriously doubt millions of Columbians are going to Venezuela, and the ones who might have gone there are probably back in Columbia considering how bad things are in Venezuela.
Indeed, according to Venezuelan authorities, 200 thousand Colombians fled Venezuela in the past years. That's one third of the Colombian population of the country (700 thousand people according to the 2011 Venezuelan census). A similar numbers of Venezuelans emigrated to Colombia.
The same happened with other immigrant communities, like the Peruvian one, which shrinked to 50% of what it was before Chávez. 30.000 Chinese left the country too, according to the Chinese government. The same is happening with the Italian, Ecuadorian or Portuguese communities.
That's quite understandable, since Venezuela is now the poorest country of South America, poorer than Bolivia, with poverty rates accounting for over 70% of the population, and it also has the highest crime and homicide rates.
karstic apparently is one of these Venezuelan emigrants.
the number of undocumented Colombians in Venezuela seems to be rather small, Venezuelan government has only deported around 1000-2000 undocumented Colombians, and it seems a lot of them didn't were undocumented after all. Colombia has deported a similar number of Venezuelans in the past few months.
Renting an apartment it's not like here where you go see the place and you rent it from the owner. Over there you have to go to the office of population, get registered and then get on the list so you can see homes, and to be registered you have to have a DNI.
Where do you got these figures? I'm looking at the INE website, and I got 422.186 for Ecuador, 165.893 for Venezuela and 188.325 for Peru. The number for Colombia is the only one that matches.
These numbers correspond to people who hasn't acquired Spanish citizenship. The numbers I gave above correspond to people born in these countries.
About half are gone, or even more. Also, a growing immigration of natives to LatAm for the first time in 50 years.
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