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Old 09-03-2016, 11:02 AM
 
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I met many Peruvians from the Peruvian community in Southern Florida, they were some that were from Spanish ancestry, but most I met Northern European - German - and diverse European countries. Even though they lived lavishly on condos and expensive properties, they all concluded that live was better in Peru..but they were afraid of inestability during those times. The first arrived during Velasco Alvarado, then came Sendero, etc. Their assimilation with the English speaking community was zero.
Peru has become pretty stable for now...they are on a good trajectory.

For lifestyle, yeah you could make the argument that Peruvians lifestyle is better than USA....better for enjoyment, not better for material goods. I certainly enjoyed it there.
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Old 09-03-2016, 11:37 AM
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Peru has become pretty stable for now...they are on a good trajectory.

For lifestyle, yeah you could make the argument that Peruvians lifestyle is better than USA....better for enjoyment, not better for material goods. I certainly enjoyed it there.
I think this statement applies quite a few other countries as well the typical day to day lifestyle in the USA isn't that great and if you took away the advantage of cheaper material goods and higher pay it would actually suck. The typical American lifestyle is designed around work acquiring material goods and looking like you're doing well a damn shame in my opinion. Family, friends, good food and enjoying a sense of community and enjoying the outdoors are way less of a priority in practice even though a lot of people pay these things lip service.
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Old 09-03-2016, 02:27 PM
 
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I think this statement applies quite a few other countries as well the typical day to day lifestyle in the USA isn't that great and if you took away the advantage of cheaper material goods and higher pay it would actually suck. The typical American lifestyle is designed around work acquiring material goods and looking like you're doing well a damn shame in my opinion. Family, friends, good food and enjoying a sense of community and enjoying the outdoors are way less of a priority in practice even though a lot of people pay these things lip service.
I disagree. The American sense of community is quite strong as evidenced by our level of volunteerism discussed in another thread. It really depends on where you're at too. Keeping up with the Joneses is big the Northeast, South Florida and California. Elsewhere, not so much. I've also found that Americans have a greater interest in the outdoors than damn near anybody else in the world. Go to meetings about wildlife or fisheries management and they are often standing room only. That's not lip service.
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Old 09-03-2016, 05:33 PM
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I disagree. The American sense of community is quite strong as evidenced by our level of volunteerism discussed in another thread. It really depends on where you're at too. Keeping up with the Joneses is big the Northeast, South Florida and California. Elsewhere, not so much. I've also found that Americans have a greater interest in the outdoors than damn near anybody else in the world. Go to meetings about wildlife or fisheries management and they are often standing room only. That's not lip service.
People move around too much in many parts of California to have a sense of community I see my neighbors as they're driving out of their driveway to do their errands people don't hang out in their front yards everyone has yard service and don't talk or get to know their neighbors or even know their names that is pretty typical of everywhere I've lived in California and that is the typical experience of most people I know and these people don't like you asking them questions. My hometown where I was born in Portugal I know all the neighbors names who their parents are their grandparents their kids names if they're sick someone checks on them cooks for them that real community. People wave and say good morning shake your hand etc. Volunteering a few hours a month at the nursing home or the animal shelter doesn't create a community.
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Old 09-03-2016, 05:44 PM
 
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It's actually very hard for Asians to immigrate. However many of them choose to study in the US and earn a US degree in STEM majors. After that things become easier.
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Old 09-03-2016, 07:38 PM
 
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People move around too much in many parts of California to have a sense of community I see my neighbors as they're driving out of their driveway to do their errands people don't hang out in their front yards everyone has yard service and don't talk or get to know their neighbors or even know their names that is pretty typical of everywhere I've lived in California and that is the typical experience of most people I know and these people don't like you asking them questions. My hometown where I was born in Portugal I know all the neighbors names who their parents are their grandparents their kids names if they're sick someone checks on them cooks for them that real community. People wave and say good morning shake your hand etc. Volunteering a few hours a month at the nursing home or the animal shelter doesn't create a community.
Your experience and mine are entirely different. Volunteering is not just about visiting the elderly for a few hours a month. It's about coaching sports teams for kids, involving yourself in local politics, teaching ESL, mentoring youths and on and on. All of this gets you involved in community. I can't walk the dog down the street without chatting with a neighbor and I live in NJ, where things are faster paced than just about anywhere. I'd move if I were you, if community means something to you.

Liberalism, not capitalism, destroys the need for community. True story.
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Old 09-03-2016, 08:47 PM
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Your experience and mine are entirely different. Volunteering is not just about visiting the elderly for a few hours a month. It's about coaching sports teams for kids, involving yourself in local politics, teaching ESL, mentoring youths and on and on. All of this gets you involved in community. I can't walk the dog down the street without chatting with a neighbor and I live in NJ, where things are faster paced than just about anywhere. I'd move if I were you, if community means something to you.

Liberalism, not capitalism, destroys the need for community. True story.
I don't live in a liberal city Romney got 56% of the vote in my county in 20012 and and probably 70% of the vote from my city. This is Republican heartland the rural parts of the county have California rednecks to spare. People just don't talk much around here with neighbors or people walking dogs etc. it's not part of the culture they just mind there own business and carry on. The local politics are a nightmare no thanks right wing tea party people in every crevice that complain all the time, not my style. I have family here that's why I stay.
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Old 09-03-2016, 08:59 PM
 
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The socialism issue or more than a city by city basis. It's the general idea that mother government will take care of everything whilst we go about our lives unimpeded by sick relatives or small children. America has been infected by it too, but there still exists a sense of community in the suburbs, for the time being. The European idea that we are self-absorbed worker ants comes from a lack being an integral part of America.

Socialism has destroyed two whole generations of inner city inhabitants. They no longer have to be reasonable for themselves, nevermind being an active part of the community.
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Old 09-04-2016, 11:26 AM
 
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Your experience and mine are entirely different. Volunteering is not just about visiting the elderly for a few hours a month. It's about coaching sports teams for kids, involving yourself in local politics, teaching ESL, mentoring youths and on and on. All of this gets you involved in community. I can't walk the dog down the street without chatting with a neighbor and I live in NJ, where things are faster paced than just about anywhere. I'd move if I were you, if community means something to you.

Liberalism, not capitalism, destroys the need for community. True story.


Lol.
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Old 09-04-2016, 11:30 AM
 
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I think this statement applies quite a few other countries as well the typical day to day lifestyle in the USA isn't that great and if you took away the advantage of cheaper material goods and higher pay it would actually suck. The typical American lifestyle is designed around work acquiring material goods and looking like you're doing well a damn shame in my opinion. Family, friends, good food and enjoying a sense of community and enjoying the outdoors are way less of a priority in practice even though a lot of people pay these things lip service.


This unfortunately is quite true. You notice it more when you have lived in other countries where this is a huge part of the culture. Neighbors are pretty much like family, that is quite rare in the US.
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