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Old 11-21-2016, 05:23 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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Latin America has the higher murder rates of the World, on general terms. I pointed out the reasons why I think is that here: https://www.city-data.com/forum/world...l#post45350758 . I also think Africa has a lot of underreporting.

Women in Latin America suffer murder much less than men. Only one of every 10 murdered people is a woman. Still, I know, there are many different kinds of violence that women suffer mostly or exclusively.



This is one of the most stupid things I've read on this forum since I discovered the posts of "". Apart from the fact that there is no such thing as a "Latin American" culture, society, or anything remotely similar, that is just basically not true anywhere in Latin America and I don't know where the "#$"# did you get that.

This could be difficult for a man to understand and likely not directly the type of violence against women this thread is addressing ... but as a woman I got to say there is a certain type of quiet violence to the spirt many women indure more so then a man in a comparable situation. It is a general sense of oppression ... the casual you can't because you are a female that gets whispered in to many women's ears from a young age. It often causes females more so then males in similar situations to only think they are able to grow and reach so far. Most physical wounds can heal... but when you crush someone's spirit and ability to dream ... they can be dead while still breathing.

That is why certain women like myself feel the need to challenge these ideas that women can't do certain things ... ex why certain actions that seem pretty normal to most man ex the ability to walking alone at night safely can be symbols of freedom to a woman like me who until around that age of 21 had this cloud of it is not safe for a woman to be out alone at night crippling my ability to live out my days to the fullest extent out of supposed fear that I would be harmed by some strange man.

In my environment I have learned to challenge that idea and wish that more women would be able to. I had to switch off that fear mode and make sure I had the confidence to fight back right there and then to help ensure that anyone who got some idea that they could try to take that freedom away from me left the situation learning a life changing lesson.

I 100% agree that stats in Africa or anywhere remote/ less populated in most countries is accurately reporting this information. I think stats of this sort give us a general idea at best.

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Old 11-21-2016, 05:40 PM
 
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What happened to Lucia is ****ing disgusting, I hope there is a special place in hell reserved for these monsters, but a lot of people are getting killed in Latin America. El Salvador, Honduras, and Venezuela are not leading the world in murders just off the femicide count, it's everybody getting shot and horribly killed. In countries like El Sal and Honduras, they have a very machista society and the poverty doesnt help. From reading accounts of gang members, it seems like a lot of them grew up with violent fathers or got bullied in school. It's very hard to solve this, you need a complete overhaul of the culture of the people. That said, I think rape is not punished harshly enough, I think rapists should have done to them, what they did to the poor girl
This level of cruelty is real and has been around for a long long time. It is not exclusive to one place...



Just a few popular examples....


Countries like India have huge issues they are dealing with ....

Mother gang-raped on bus in India as two-week old baby dies in attack | The Independent

India victim in 2012 Delhi gang rape named by mother - BBC News


Morocco.... if a man raped a woman to avoid jail and family shame the man would often be made to marry the girl. Imagine that ... being forced to marry a man that raped you? Thankfully the laws have recently changed that.

India victim in 2012 Delhi gang rape named by mother - BBC News

The abuse is glorified in porn and even popular tv shows and movies.... and it starts to for some people normalize it.

Victim blaming starts to happen even in Lucia's situation her possible use of drugs was thrown out a reason why this horrible act of violence happened to her. Again I think about what happened to her. If it happened to an adult female horric and evil. This is a young teen age girl that has this done to her by ADULT men! This is just evil. There is no way to adequately punishing someone for this level of cruelty. The idea that the system could even allow bail for these men is sickening. This stuff happens and has been happening for a long long long time and it happens everywhere. There are many many many accounted for First Nations Women in my own country that have not been accounted for. When things like this make the paper ... it just highlights issues that have been brushed under the rug for a long long time.
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Old 11-21-2016, 05:59 PM
 
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It happens in developed countries too https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder...stopher_Newsom
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Anita_Cobby

I can't imagine the amount of evil it takes to do something like this, their heart must be made of rock. I can't even think of a way to punish this, the way to make them feel the pain they inflicted on the girl. Argentina has a ****ed up government so somehow I think they will get just a slap on the wrist. Personally, I think inhumane crimes deserve inhumane punishments
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Old 11-21-2016, 07:31 PM
 
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I think there is no doubt that more men than women suffer violence in Latin America.
What happens is that men are killed by violence, most of the times, practiced by other men. In traffic, for financial reasons, etc.
In fact fewer women attack men with violence than the other way around. In most cases, women are also victims of violence by men.
Then the question is: why do men practice more violence than women? Why are so many women victims of violence not from thieves, but from members of their families or boyfriends?
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Old 11-21-2016, 08:50 PM
 
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[quote=Mr.Falcon;46272789]I think there is no doubt that more men than women suffer violence in Latin America.
What happens is that men are killed by violence, most of the times, practiced by other men. In traffic, for financial reasons, etc.
In fact fewer women attack men with violence than the other way around. In most cases, women are also victims of violence by men.
Then the question is: why do men practice more violence than women? Why are so many women victims of violence not from thieves, but from members of their families or boyfriends?[/quote]

I have a theory about this .... based on my own experiences.

Before I say share there I also want to share I have no daddy issues. My father had a bad temper when you really rubbed him the wrong way and it was only triggered after being significantly provoked ex. You did something extremely disrespectful or did anything to harm, threaten or miss treat his kids. I have NEVER seen my father lay a hand on my mother. If I got spanked as I kid ... I 99% of the time provoked the situation as I was a brat and have always pushed limit as far as possible to see how much I could get away with. My brother is extremely patient, open minded and calm. My thoughts on this topic are not because I had a "bad father" or "bad men" in my home growing up as a child because that would be a lie. If my dad ever told me not to go somewhere or be somewhere it was out of love because he was scared something might happen to me and was not much different with my brother so I can't complain too much.

However, both of my grandmother's came from abusive marital situations. My mother's mother who had 2 children walked out on her husband with her kids when they were teenagers with no support from her husband or her own family. Not an easy thing to do as in the 1960s in Trinidad he could have likely beat her to death and never faced any charges as when you are white, wealthy and have money especially at that time in Trinidad you could pretty much get away with just about anything. Ironically despite his abuse of her... her family did nothing and continued to welcome him, which is a totally slap in the face in my opinion.

My other grandmother had 5 children and just put up with it because she would have had no where to go and no one to turn to, but she experienced more verbal abuse and came from a broken home and would like be to ashamed to risk having her husband leave her to stand up to him.

I have a uncle (who is dead now) that I never really knew that apparently use to beat his wife up really bad. They had 3 kids together. She eventually left him when the kids where small.

I have an aunty/ 2nd cousin that was in a similar situation before I was born that was married to someone who use to beat her up really bad. She eventually divorced him when she was still young and never wanted to re-marry. She did not come from an abusive home. Her parents were happily married and her father was a very patient and soft spoken person.

The problem mainly relates to men who feel oppressed by society and tend to want to inflict that pain on someone else ex. My boss or other men in society make me feel lesser. I can't fight back against them... but at home I am the boss and if you challenge me I will show you.

Also there is the "who is going to stop me" factor ex she will likely be too ashamed to tell anyone.
I understand this factor from my own experiences. When someone you really love and trust, who claims to love you starts to do stuff to physically and mentally harm you it is the most confusing and crushing experience. I have gone through this in a milder way (ex I was not being beaten to pulp or being threatened to be killed) and it is horrible. You start to blame yourself and sometime even start to think you deserved it. It is usually about power. Ex: Your his and he can do what he wants with you. It makes him feel powerful.

In my situation the triggers were ....
1. If he thought I was looking at someone else ( jealousy)
2. If I was out showing him ... ex I did well in school or got a good job
3. If I said no to something he wanted me to do

He did not have control of most aspects of his own life ex not doing well in school, bad job, still living with his parents, no car or idea what he was going to do with his life .... but I was younger and he could control me and this made him feel good about himself. Most of this violence goes unreported even in major cities and in developed countries. When someone you love or someone who is suppose to love you hurts you it is a different type of pain and sadness. If a stranger tries to harm you it is totally different. If a stranger tries to harm you it does not get at you to the same extent.

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Old 11-22-2016, 06:18 AM
 
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I don’t think so.
Latin American countries are democratic countries with free press, free right of speech, free police and justice. So the point is that the most cases of violence are reported in the police office.
Is similar what happen in developed countries but how we are less developed we have more violence cases.

But Muslims countries and African countries this situation of violence against woman is so much worse, but they don’t have trustworthy statistics about and I think most cases are not reported in the police office.

Another point is in couple fights the women assault the men too but emotionally.
Men assault with violence.
Women assault emotionally, psychologically.
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Old 11-22-2016, 10:20 AM
 
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This is one of the most stupid things I've read on this forum since I discovered the posts of "". Apart from the fact that there is no such thing as a "Latin American" culture, society, or anything remotely similar, that is just basically not true anywhere in Latin America and I don't know where the "#$"# did you get that.
I said Latin American criminal culture. But that is what I've heard and gathered. Please tell me what you know then.
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Old 11-22-2016, 11:05 AM
 
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I said Latin American criminal culture. But that is what I've heard and gathered. Please tell me what you know then.
That's what I mean. It's very stupid to think that a place like Latin America, which is twice as big as the US and has twice as much population, shares the same culture (be it "criminal culture" or whatever).

What you said of criminals killing the entire family of their enemies just has never happened anywhere in Latin America. I'd like to know what are your sources.
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Old 11-22-2016, 01:51 PM
 
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That's what I mean. It's very stupid to think that a place like Latin America, which is twice as big as the US and has twice as much population, shares the same culture (be it "criminal culture" or whatever).

What you said of criminals killing the entire family of their enemies just has never happened anywhere in Latin America. I'd like to know what are your sources.
Jesus christ. Europe has a certain organised criminal culture, or 'code' if you will, though every country has a different mainstream culture. The smaller the subculture is, the more homogenous. Finnish and Spanish black metal subcultures are quite similar, though the mainstream culture is very different.

But why can't Pablo Escobar's wife and son come back to Colombia? Because they will be killed, though they're innocent.
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Old 11-22-2016, 03:34 PM
 
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It's pretty stupid to group all Latin American countries together and say that they all suffer from higher levels of crime/violence compared with the rest of the world. Argentina, Uruguay, and Chile for instance actually have pretty low rates of violent crime (lower than the US even). For Mexico/Central America the situation is a lot more complex since those countries are heavily influenced by the drug trade/drug cartels due to their location between the drug producing countries (Colombia, Peru, & Bolivia) and the world's largest consumer of drugs (the US) and street gangs like MS-13 and 18th Street (both of which got it's start in the US and grew in Central America after many gang members got deported from the US).
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