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Old 11-23-2016, 04:21 AM
 
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I think it is a interesting history that most part of the world don’t know (including Americans) that at least some thousands of Americans in the past have immigrated abroad looking for better life.
For me that’s make part of my life because my family are from both cities founded by Americans confederated although most part of Italian heritage.




The Confederados (Portuguese pronunciation: [kõfedeˈɾadus]) are descended from some 20,000 Confederates who immigrated to Brazil, chiefly to the state of São Paulo, from the Southern United States after the American Civil War. Although many eventually returned to the United States, some remained and descendants of Confederados can be found in many cities throughout Brazil.

Original Confederados

In 1865 at the end of the American Civil War a substantial number of Southerners left the South; many moved to other parts of the United States, such as the American West, but a few left the country entirely. The most popular country of Southerners emigration was Brazil.[1]
Emperor Dom Pedro II of Brazil wanted to encourage the cultivation of cotton. After the American Civil War Dom Pedro offered the potential immigrants subsidies on transport to Brazil, cheap land, and tax breaks.[2] Former Confederate President Jefferson Davis and General Robert E. Lee advised Southerners against emigration, but many ignored their advice and set out to establish a new life away from the destruction of war and Northern rule under Reconstruction.

Many Southerners who took the Emperor's offer had lost their land during the war, were unwilling to live under a conquering army, or simply did not expect an improvement in the South's economic position. In addition, Brazil still had slavery (and did not abolish it until 1888). Most of the immigrants were from the states of Alabama, Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Georgia, and South Carolina.
No one has determined how many Americans immigrated to Brazil in the years following the end of the American Civil War. As noted in unpublished research, Betty Antunes de Oliveira found in port records of Rio de Janeiro that some 20,000 Americans entered Brazil from 1865 to 1885. Other researchers have estimated the number at 10,000.[3] An unknown number returned to the United States when conditions in the South changed, as reconstruction ended and the Jim Crow-era began. Most immigrants adopted Brazilian citizenship.

The immigrants settled in various places, ranging from the urban areas of Rio de Janeiro and São Paulo to the northern Amazon region, especially Santarém, and Paraná in the south. Most of the Confederados settled near São Paulo in the area to the north of it, around present-day Santa Bárbara d'Oeste and Americana. The latter name was derived from Vila dos Americanos, as the natives called it. The first Confederado recorded was Colonel William H. Norris of Alabama, who left the U.S. with 30 Confederate families and arrived in Rio de Janeiro on 27 December, 1865.[4] The colony at Santa Bárbara D'Oeste is sometimes called the Norris Colony.

Dom Pedro's program was judged a success for both the immigrants and the Brazilian government. The settlers quickly gained a reputation for honesty and hard work.[1] The settlers brought modern agricultural techniques for cotton, as well as new food-crops, that spread among native Brazilian farmers. Some dishes of the American South were also adopted in general Brazilian culture, such as chess pie, vinegar pie, and southern fried chicken.[2]

The early Confederados continued many elements of American culture, for instance, establishing the first Baptist churches in Brazil. In a change from the South, the Confederados also educated slaves and black freedmen in their new schools.[2]

A few newly freed slaves in the United States emigrated alongside their Confederate counterparts and in some cases with their previous owners. One such former slave, Steve Watson, became the administrator of the sawmill of his former owner, Judge Dyer of Texas. Upon returning to the USA (due to homesickness and financial failure) Dyer deeded his remaining property, the sawmill and 12 acres, to Watson. In the area of the Juquia valley there are many Brazilian families with the surname Vassão, the Portuguese pronunciation of Watson.[2]



Descendants of the immigrants

In 1972, Georgia Governor Jimmy Carter visited Brazil and remarked on the similarity between American Southerners and Confederados, descendants of Confederates who immigrated to Brazil after the Civil War. The youngsters with him are fifth-generation Confederados. The Rev. Ballard S. Dunn (top) of New Orleans led a large contingent of Southerners to Brazil. Flags of Brazil, the Confederacy and the U.S. in a church speak to the descendants' mixed heritage.

The first generation of Confederados remained an insular community. As is typical, by the third generation, most of the families had intermarried with native Brazilians or immigrants of other origins. Descendants of the Confederados increasingly spoke the Portuguese language and identified themselves as Brazilians. As the area around Santa Bárbara d'Oeste and Americana turned to the production of sugar cane and society became more mobile, the Confederados moved to cities for urban jobs. Today, only a few descendant families still live on land owned by their ancestors. The descendants of the Confederados are mostly scattered throughout Brazil. They maintain the headquarters of their descendant organization at the Campo center in Santa Bárbara D'Oeste, where there is a cemetery, chapel and memorial.


The descendants foster a connection with their history through the Associação Descendência Americana (American Descendants Association), a descendant organization dedicated to preserving their unique mixed culture. The Confederados also have an annual festival, called the Festa Confederada, dedicated to fund the Campo center. The festival is marked by Confederate flags, Confederate uniforms and hoop skirts, food of the American South with a Brazilian flair, and dances and music popular in the American South during the antebellum period. The descendants maintain affection for the Confederate flag even though they identify as completely Brazilian. Many Confederado descendants have traveled to the United States at the invitation of the Sons of Confederate Veterans, an American descendants' organization, to visit Civil War battlefields, attend re-enactments, or see where their ancestors lived.


The Confederate flag in Brazil has not acquired the same political symbolism as it has in the United States. Many descendants of the Confederados are of mixed race and reflect the varied ethnic groups of Brazilian society in their physical appearance. In the wake of then-Governor Jimmy Carter's visit to the region in 1972, Americana incorporated the Confederate flag into the municipal coat of arms (though the largely Italian-descended population removed it some years later, reasoning that descendants of Confederados now comprise but a tenth of the municipal population). While in Brazil, Carter also visited the city of Santa Bárbara d'Oeste and the grave at the Campo of a great-uncle of his wife Rosalynn. Her relative was one of the original Confederados. Carter remarked that the Confederados sounded and seemed just like Southerners.[1]


Campo Cemetery with its chapel and memorial, in Santa Bárbara d'Oeste, is a site of memory, as most of the original Confederados from the region were buried there. Because they were Protestant rather than Catholic, they were prohibited from the local cemeteries and had to establish their own. The Confederado descendants' community has also contributed to an Immigration Museum at Santa Bárbara d'Oeste to present the history of immigration to Brazil.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederados
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Old 11-23-2016, 05:51 PM
 
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an amazing story. I wish there would be festivals in both countries but the politically correct in north america would get hysterical at the very thought

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Old 11-23-2016, 11:01 PM
 
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an amazing story. I wish there would be festivals in both countries but the politically correct term for the Conferderacy turning their back on and fighting against their country is called treason
Fixed it for ya

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Old 11-24-2016, 04:58 AM
 
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an amazing story. I wish there would be festivals in both countries but the politically correct in north america would get hysterical at the very thought
Amazing festival!! I went in this festival more or less 10 times!! Here in Brazil confederates don't have bad connotation

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Old 11-24-2016, 06:29 AM
 
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thanks for posting evangelistti. I would love to go to that confederado festival in brasil and see those towns founded by the southern planters and their families after the civil war. In america , alot of european americans have been pretty emasculated by years and years of political correctness, it would be much tougher with so many poofs and political correctness in this country to have a festival like this.Its a really amazing story

I saw this story on vice about them


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D93o3kItF-E
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Old 11-24-2016, 08:01 AM
 
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Fixed it for ya
How is it treason , why is the american "union" more sacred than the European "union". I dont know how you commit treason from something you founded, Southerners pretty much founded America , its hard to imagine america without Jefferson, George Washington,Henry, Madison etc.

James Madison basically wrote the document that framed the constitution, Jefferson wrote the declaration of independence, Of course Geroge washington, Patrick Henry etc. The document was written by people who were themselves supposedly "traitors" to the British crown. Yes slavery was awful but race is always there in everything related to american history, the Confederate flag is no more inherently racialist than the US flag.

Virginia absolutely reserved the right to secede for the union in order to ratify the constitution . secession and "nullification" were ways the states to persuade the federal government to pass legislation. I will say that,the father of the constitution , James madison, isnt as favorable on a states right to secede, he said there is "no intended, or implied, power of Secession on behalf of the states as a legal mechanism" but there is a "natural right of citizens to revolt against oppressive governments"

Personally I think the country would function alot better as different regions or least red and blue states as different nations. the american union and the federal government is as huge and a bureaucratic mess as the european union. We are just too different as people and regions, every election shows that.

Of course its funny after every election that doesnt go their way you see big states like texas and california wanting to secede. They would probably break up as well if they were sovereign nations, alot of states would.

States are as different internally with red/blue divides as the country is
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Old 11-24-2016, 08:49 AM
 
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"Many Southerners who took the Emperor's offer had lost their land during the war, were unwilling to live under a conquering army, or simply did not expect an improvement in the South's economic position. In addition, Brazil still had slavery (and did not abolish it until 1888)."

Oh that's wonderful, they wanted to go to a place where they could still own and mistreat people.
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Old 11-24-2016, 09:31 AM
 
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thanks for posting evangelistti. I would love to go to that confederado festival in brasil and see those towns founded by the southern planters and their families after the civil war. In america , alot of european americans have been pretty emasculated by years and years of political correctness, it would be much tougher with so many poofs and political correctness in this country to have a festival like this.Its a really amazing story

I saw this story on vice about them


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D93o3kItF-E
Political correctness is a trouble in all western countries. I think in Brazil it is worse because the ultra left wing protect bandits in the name of ‘’human’’ rights for example human rights only for robbers, killers, rapists etc. not for victims and their families…

Recently a ultra left wing politician told in a police case that a policemen killed 3 robbers that tried to steal him that if he wasn’t reacted just one 1 family would cry now not 3… So friend really crazy and sick mindset.

They (bandits) are only ‘’victims of society’’ since slavery epoch!! Is their speech!!

Confederated festival have not bad connotation in Brazil because people obviously don’t know much about United Stated history.


If you have the opportunity of stay in Brazil in the time of Confederated Festival in Americana and Santa Barbara you are my guest!! Just let me know friend
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Old 11-24-2016, 10:23 AM
 
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How is it treason , why is the american "union"
You really need this explained?

First of all, we're not talking about the European Union. We are talking about Americans who renounced their citizenship and then took up arms fighting against their own country men and government. That is treason whether you're able to understand that or not.

There is a reason the confederacy did not have international support or recognition when most other secession movements do.

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Old 11-24-2016, 10:29 AM
 
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, the Confederate flag is no more inherently racialist than the US flag.
From the designer of the Confederate Flag:
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“As a people we are fighting to maintain the heavenly ordained supremacy of the white man over the inferior or colored race; a white flag would thus be emblematical of our cause. Such a flag would be a suitable emblem of our young confederacy, and sustained by the brave hearts and strong arms of the south, it would soon take rank among the proudest ensigns of the nations, and be hailed by the civilized world as THE WHITE MAN’S FLAG.”
Confederate Flag Designer Said It Is A Symbol Of White Supremacy - Not Southern Heritage

You can find that in several other sources as well
https://danielmiessler.com/blog/will...ol/#gs.f_ghQ=0

https://mic.com/articles/121082/here...-it#.ctdID97UE

Now, find me a similar statement about the US flag, then I'll see your point.
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