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Old 08-16-2021, 11:20 AM
 
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Keep in mind that the USA practices the one-drop-rule mentality. Many of those people that claim to be black or African in the USA in reality are only a part and quite a few are mostly something else.

On the other hand, Brazil has a longer tradition of counting many mixed people as mixed, hence many that would not identify as black or African in Brazil would identify like that if their origin was the USA.

To put it bluntly, the figures of black or African people's from the USA is artificially increased. This increase is because of the identity of people like Mariah Carey, Derek Jeter, Lionel Ritchie (though usually people that look like him come out in ancestral DNA results as 60% to 70% African, not a small percentage are not even 50% African, believe it or not; they basically look more African than they are); Halle Berry, Barack Obama, etc. That's despite many of these recognize their mixed race in public, but their identity is of black and that's how they appear in the stats.
2020 census record allows people to self identify as mixed race, and that has clearly shown up in the stats.

https://apnews.com/article/race-and-...a67d3a324fc90d
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Old 08-16-2021, 04:04 PM
 
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2020 census record allows people to self identify as mixed race, and that has clearly shown up in the stats.

https://apnews.com/article/race-and-...a67d3a324fc90d
Yes, but tradition takes time to fully change, sometimes generations. The actual number of Americans that in reality are mixed race is much bigger than it appears in the data. It is increasing every time a census is done, but that has more to do with people choosing that to describe themselves more so than a reflexion of actual growth.

Remember that it has been around 60-ish years, give or take, that racial segregation, laws against interracial relationships/marriage, and Jim Crow laws were still in effect in large swathe of the USA. Many people that lived through that are still alive or so-and-so has parents or grandparents that lived through that. It's still recent.
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Old 08-16-2021, 05:16 PM
 
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Yes, but tradition takes time to fully change, sometimes generations. The actual number of Americans that in reality are mixed race is much bigger than it appears in the data. It is increasing every time a census is done, but that has more to do with people choosing that to describe themselves more so than a reflexion of actual growth.

Remember that it has been around 60-ish years, give or take, that racial segregation, laws against interracial relationships/marriage, and Jim Crow laws were still in effect in large swathe of the USA. Many people that lived through that are still alive or so-and-so has parents or grandparents that lived through that. It's still recent.
And there’s a lot of trauma and mental health issues that will take generations to dissipate.

Obviously more Americans changed how they identify, but the civil rights move also allowed immigrants from all around the world to move to America. Obviously having people from all around the world means one would have more mixed race people. Example, there are many Asian/white marriages.

I don’t know what people like Obama, Halle Berry, Lionel Ritchie are putting on their forms these days. It’s an individual thing. But interracial marriages have increased among all demographics, including Black people!
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Old 08-16-2021, 06:51 PM
 
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Most African-Americans are technically "mixed" race, but cultural factors spurred largely by institutional racism (e.g. one drop rule) completely segregated the community that I'm proud to be a part of. The US is a very mixed country, especially compared to other developed countries.
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Old 08-17-2021, 07:12 PM
 
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Most African-Americans are technically "mixed" race
Even after all these new DNA ancestry tests, I still do not consider American black people to be "mixed race" - not all all. That's an exaggeration.

African-Americans are a racially black ethnic group with some light admixture from long ago.
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Old 08-17-2021, 11:20 PM
 
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As a black American woman you will hardly face any prejudice in Latin America, especially if you have a source of US income your life will be easy in Latin America.

I recommend Colombia, Panama, Costa Rica, in those countries you will be relatively well treated and you will hardly stand out as many locals have African roots.
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Old 08-18-2021, 06:45 AM
 
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Even after all these new DNA ancestry tests, I still do not consider American black people to be "mixed race" - not all all. That's an exaggeration.

African-Americans are a racially black ethnic group with some light admixture from long ago.
Obviously the mixture varies from person to person but a quarter of someone’s DNA being from non African sources can have substantial affects on one’s health as certain generic disease originate in certain parts of the world.

Africans tend to have dominant genes. An African American who is 80 percent African descent, if they have a child with an European the child is coming out more than 50 percent European DNA, but let’s just say you will still see the Black in them.
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Old 08-18-2021, 07:29 AM
 
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As a black American woman you will hardly face any prejudice in Latin America, especially if you have a source of US income your life will be easy in Latin America.

I recommend Colombia, Panama, Costa Rica, in those countries you will be relatively well treated and you will hardly stand out as many locals have African roots.
Life will be easier because racial discrimination and prejudice is considerably less in much of Latin America. People aren't thinking about race, identity, etc on a constant basis while in the USA a person that is not white is constantly reminded that they aren't, as if people don't have mirrors in their homes. For some people the difference in how people react is evident when you notice a change in one airport in another country and then later on the same day arriving at an airport in the USA. For example, of anyone has a look that is even remotely associated with Arabs, it will be an issue in US airports. You simply know it. But with that said, it's not that prejudice doesn't exist in Latin America, but it's considerably less than in the USA. Most Americans will not be able to understand this unless they travel outside the USA, but really traveling and not going to Cancun to be in a hotel where 90% of the people are fellow Americans too. If a perdon has never been outside the USA, you can explain how many times you want and in how many ways, they simply don't get it because how things are in the USA is the only things they experience.

In a way it's like Malcom X whose opinion about white people changed once he visited Saudi Arabia. Now think why he needed to leave the US to come to terms that white people as a group are capable of living in peace with non-white people. He thought white people being prejudiced towards black was part of their nature, but he was born in Nebraska and lived most of his life (I think it was all his life) in the USA.

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Old 08-18-2021, 07:33 AM
 
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Life will be easier because racial discrimination and prejudice is considerably less in much of Latin America. People aren't thinking about race, identity, etc on a constant basis while in the USA a person that is not white is constantly reminded that they aren't, as if people don't have mirrors in their homes. For some people the difference in how people react is evident when you notice a change in one airport in another country and then later on the same day arriving at an airport in the USA. For example, of anyone has a look that is even remotely associated with Arabs, it will be an issue in US airport. You simply know it. But with that said, it's not that prejudice doesn't exist in Latin America, but it's considerably less than in the USA. Most Americans will not be able to understand this unless they travel outside the USA, but really traveling and not going to Cancun to be in a hotel where 90% of the people are fellow Americans too.
Part of it is the politics of recent years.

I don’t even know if the OP ever moved to a Latin American country. But there are lots of videos from African Americans who have made that move and lots of videos as well. So are number of people love it.
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Old 08-18-2021, 08:28 AM
 
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Life will be easier because racial discrimination and prejudice is considerably less in much of Latin America. People aren't thinking about race, identity, etc on a constant basis while in the USA a person that is not white is constantly reminded that they aren't, as if people don't have mirrors in their homes. For some people the difference in how people react is evident when you notice a change in one airport in another country and then later on the same day arriving at an airport in the USA. For example, of anyone has a look that is even remotely associated with Arabs, it will be an issue in US airport. You simply know it. But with that said, it's not that prejudice doesn't exist in Latin America, but it's considerably less than in the USA. Most Americans will not be able to understand this unless they travel outside the USA, but really traveling and not going to Cancun to be in a hotel where 90% of the people are fellow Americans too. If a perdon has never been outside the USA, you can explain how many times you want and in how many ways, they simply don't get it because how things are in the USA is the only things they experience.
This is true for blacks and mulatos. For indigenous people it is a different story.
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