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The other problem here is that Cristina apparently didn't feel it necessary to maintain crime stats for the last several years. I can imagine why. Like others, she must have found it easier to just stick her head in the sand.
With the latest stats, according to the BA Herald, these numbers have actually increased.
So I think the point remains and I stand by my statement. When you look at all violent crime and not just homicide rates, Argentina ranks among the world's worst.
Did you forget the tampon shortage from 2 years ago? Cooking oil is often in limited supply, machine parts, etc. Retailers are forced to keep low inventory because of inflation and the instability of the currency.
I know this thread has calmed down a bit, but I just wanted to clarify this. What you quote is something that happened during the last administration (Cristina Kirchner's). AFAIK, this doesn't happen anymore. (And in any case, that shortage was related to some specific items - still a shame, of course, but different from basic neccesities' shortages).
Anyway, the idea of robbery as something acceptable in Argentina if you are poor is plain false, and one of the most idiotic things I've read on these forums. It feels like some people come from a parallel world or just want to imagine a parallel reality that supports their preconceived ideas. It's weird...
Are you really trying to argue that a large percentage of South Americans don't justify their theft with the bullsht socialistic dogma that was thrown at them for years and years? I've only visited BA, but in Brasil there's a reason why almost every single lower class to upper class home has large concrete fences and/or bars over all windows. Most walls with barbed wire or electric fences on top.
If you leave anything unattended or drop your guard, there's constantly people roaming looking for opportunities. Why do most neighborhoods in SP hire private seguranca to ride around the neighborhood 24 hours a day? There's a gross sense of entitlement that is ingrained in the culture, from the common criminals to the politicians, and it will not change anytime soon.
these numbers are completely random and all over the place. Belgium? Chile? Spain? Pretty bad source.
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Are you really trying to argue that a large percentage of South Americans don't justify their theft with the bullsht socialistic dogma that was thrown at them for years and years?
The hypothesis of "socialism" being the cause of criminality in South America is pretty poor, there are many other more feasible causes: the nature of the judiciary and legal systems, poor/corrupt law enforcement, wealth inequality, war on drugs, etc etc.
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I know this thread has calmed down a bit, but I just wanted to clarify this. What you quote is something that happened during the last administration (Cristina Kirchner's). AFAIK, this doesn't happen anymore. (And in any case, that shortage was related to some specific items - still a shame, of course, but different from basic neccesities' shortages).
Well, if you want to tell women that tampons don't qualify as a "basic necessity", feel free to do so. I will never agree; at least not in mixed company...
As to the other items I mentioned, they are still happening. I'm living it, friend. Things have eased a bit, that's true, but inflation remains high and the currency is still unstable.
these numbers are completely random and all over the place. Belgium? Chile? Spain? Pretty bad source.
OK well, we could turn this into a debate about fact, figures, and sources, but I think that would be a futile exercise, and rather boring as well. Maybe the source isn't perfect, I'll acknowledge that, but again, I think the point remains. There is a serious and pervasive problem with violent crime in Argentina. No, it isn't necessarily being murdered that one needs to fear; it's the street robberies and home invasions. You need to spend some time here, or at the very least talk to some Argentines about the apprehension and insecurity they feel in their own neighborhoods, even in the nicer areas. It's real, and it's very much a part of their daily lives.
Maybe the source isn't perfect, I'll acknowledge that, but again, I think the point remains. There is a serious and pervasive problem with violent crime in Argentina. No, it isn't necessarily being murdered that one needs to fear; it's the street robberies and home invasions.
This was the point of my original posting of this thread (and the name of this thread). That murder isn't as rife in Argentina (or, as someone suggested earlier in this thread, Sao Paulo as well) as it is in many areas of Brazil, Venezuela, parts of Central America, Mexico, etc., but that street robberies, carjackings, home invasions, etc. are just about as common nowadays in Argentina as in those other parts of Latin America. For example, I (as an innocent, middle-class person) dare say that in Buenos Aires or Sao Paulo I wouldn't necessarily fear being murdered but I would fear being robbed in some way or another, while in Rio de Janeiro or Caracas or San Pedro Sula (Honduras) I might fear being murdered as well as being robbed. (Although someone in this thread already suggested that the very high murder rates can mainly be explained by vicious gang activity - i.e. violence between gangs - and I would thus in all likelihood escape inter-gang violence unless I'm caught in the crossfire.)
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You need to spend some time here, or at the very least talk to some Argentines about the apprehension and insecurity they feel in their own neighborhoods, even in the nicer areas. It's real, and it's very much a part of their daily lives.
I'm wondering if it's the case that the residents of the nicer areas in Argentina feel as much apprehension/insecurity as in the "bad neighbourhoods" in the United States, and that in the "bad neighbourhoods" in Argentina the level of apprehension/insecurity way surpasses anything seen in the US?
As an aside, which is worse - the insecurity felt in Argentina today, or what was felt by residents of New York City in the 1970s, when NYC had a lot of crime going on?
And you're basing this on what? Look, we're getting off topic, this isn't a thread about the US vs. Argentina, but this just isn't true. The US has done more to combat racism(through discrimination laws, hiring preferences, racial set-asides, etc.) than most countries.Here again, you simply don't know what you're talking about. The murder rate in Argentina is higher than the US, and the vast majority of US homicides are committed by blacks and Latinos, not whites. We've got a minority problem, not a murder problem. You need to avail yourself of some facts.
But I'll leave you with the same point I made on the other thread: If the US is nothing but a racist ****hole, there sure are a lot of non-whites risking there lives(and those of their children) to go live there.
It's in part because of the dollar exchange. US dollars go a long way. Work in the US, save up enough dollars and you can go home and buy a nice house, pay for university, etc.
This was the point of my original posting of this thread (and the name of this thread). That murder isn't as rife in Argentina (or, as someone suggested earlier in this thread, Sao Paulo as well) as it is in many areas of Brazil, Venezuela, parts of Central America, Mexico, etc., but that street robberies, carjackings, home invasions, etc. are just about as common nowadays in Argentina as in those other parts of Latin America. For example, I (as an innocent, middle-class person) dare say that in Buenos Aires or Sao Paulo I wouldn't necessarily fear being murdered but I would fear being robbed in some way or another, while in Rio de Janeiro or Caracas or San Pedro Sula (Honduras) I might fear being murdered as well as being robbed. (Although someone in this thread already suggested that the very high murder rates can mainly be explained by vicious gang activity - i.e. violence between gangs - and I would thus in all likelihood escape inter-gang violence unless I'm caught in the crossfire.)
I'm wondering if it's the case that the residents of the nicer areas in Argentina feel as much apprehension/insecurity as in the "bad neighbourhoods" in the United States, and that in the "bad neighbourhoods" in Argentina the level of apprehension/insecurity way surpasses anything seen in the US?
As an aside, which is worse - the insecurity felt in Argentina today, or what was felt by residents of New York City in the 1970s, when NYC had a lot of crime going on?
If there is a similarity is mostly chicken littles with no real knowledge of Latin America or for that matter New York City and screaming like little girls!
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