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Old 05-12-2017, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Brazil
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Not getting into the judment about the mayonnaise journey, what does it have to do to the topic?
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Old 05-12-2017, 09:44 PM
 
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Who vote these kind of politician are the same kind of people who wait for ‘’support’’ from daddy State.
São Paulo, South Minas, Mato Grosso and the Southern States voted massively for right wing. Rio de Janeiro and North people elected the PT.

São Paulo gubernator is not involved in corruption issues and he is governing for 12 years, São Paulo major city is one libertarian from Austrian economic school and is doing very nice job in another hand the last two Rio de Janeiro gubernator are jailed right now (by southern judges and court of course).

I think if they want be Venezuela or Bolivia or Africa or a Socialist country our states have the right of out of the Union. We don’t go work for support their lazily and corruption. It was openly spoken just finished last election if they don’t accept our way we are out.
Porto Alegre is a hot mess and that government is supposedly centrist/centre right. The city was much better run with the previous government.
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Old 05-13-2017, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Seoul
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I think if they want be Venezuela or Bolivia or Africa or a Socialist country our states have the right of out of the Union. We don’t go work for support their lazily and corruption. It was openly spoken just finished last election if they don’t accept our way we are out.
Bolivia has a much lower crime rate than most states in Brazil, it's hardly a bad comparison. Unless you only included Bolivia because it doesn't fit what you want demographically. Hmm
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Old 05-13-2017, 12:50 PM
 
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Bolivia has a much lower crime rate than most states in Brazil, it's hardly a bad comparison. Unless you only included Bolivia because it doesn't fit what you want demographically. Hmm
Its because its a country with a bunch of Native Americans, and you know...all colored people are lazy and don't work.
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Old 05-13-2017, 05:34 PM
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Not getting into the judment about the mayonnaise journey, what does it have to do to the topic?
I'm not sure I want to know what this is but I have no idea what you're trying to say.
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Old 05-15-2017, 07:39 AM
 
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Bolivia has a much lower crime rate than most states in Brazil, it's hardly a bad comparison. Unless you only included Bolivia because it doesn't fit what you want demographically. Hmm

I include Bolivia because they are a ‘’Bolivarian socialist country’’ as Venezuela and how this system doesn’t work they are yet the poorest South American country.

I am not a racist person, just because I think that the Brazilian state can’t benefit people by skin color it doesn’t make me a racist person only because they are benefiting native Indians and others non-whites. If were the whites the benefited I would disagree the same way
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Old 05-15-2017, 04:15 PM
 
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I guess I’ve read discussions like this about a thousand times. It always brings me back to a brilliant article about Trump and the left that was published in a Spanish blog many months ago, even before he was elected president.

I don’t find the original source, but it was republished here (in Spanish): Donald Trump: una creación de la izquierda y la corrección política.

I always see the same: some unpolished ideas which are portrayed as statements of bigotry, overly reprobated, sometimes falling into straw man fallacies in the process. However, the premise still stands, it would be something like “Subsidizing massively minorities and poor people don’t work. Not only does it not favor the social progress of those people in the long term, but it also undermines the future projections of the society as a whole.”

It may be true, it may be false, it most likely is more complex and depends on a number of factors in different degrees, but ultimately the question remains often unanswered. In exchange, we just get social condemnation towards the spokesperson who dares enunciate it.
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Old 05-16-2017, 08:29 AM
 
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I guess I’ve read discussions like this about a thousand times. It always brings me back to a brilliant article about Trump and the left that was published in a Spanish blog many months ago, even before he was elected president.

I don’t find the original source, but it was republished here (in Spanish): Donald Trump: una creación de la izquierda y la corrección política.

I always see the same: some unpolished ideas which are portrayed as statements of bigotry, overly reprobated, sometimes falling into straw man fallacies in the process. However, the premise still stands, it would be something like “Subsidizing massively minorities and poor people don’t work. Not only does it not favor the social progress of those people in the long term, but it also undermines the future projections of the society as a whole.”

It may be true, it may be false, it most likely is more complex and depends on a number of factors in different degrees, but ultimately the question remains often unanswered. In exchange, we just get social condemnation towards the spokesperson who dares enunciate it.
Yes this article really explain what is happening nowadays really nice.
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Old 05-16-2017, 10:28 AM
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100 millions of Brazilians (half part of population) are Whites most part work class and they are poor too and don’t have daddy State giving lands and supporting forever just because their skin color.

Whites immigrants arrived in Brazil after slavery and colonialism had over, with nothing, for to do same work that slaves did and didn’t have any support from state and go ahead alone.

Why have I work hard and pay taxes for support native Americans and colored people?
If they want good life they must work hard as in the south of the country


The land that was stolen from the native peoples in the first place - to be clear.
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Old 05-17-2017, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Seoul
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I include Bolivia because they are a ‘’Bolivarian socialist country’’ as Venezuela and how this system doesn’t work they are yet the poorest South American country.

I am not a racist person, just because I think that the Brazilian state can’t benefit people by skin color it doesn’t make me a racist person only because they are benefiting native Indians and others non-whites. If were the whites the benefited I would disagree the same way
Bolivia was historically a very poor country, you can't blame their economic ails on the current government. Venezuela was an epic socialist failure, but Bolivia is nothing of that sort. Their GDP growth is at a constant pace so I don't see what is the problem here
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