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Old 07-24-2017, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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As usual the rich people are the ones who are suffering the least of the tragedy, I imagine if you are in the top 1% of the population live goes as usual. With the horrible exchange rate it wouldn't surprise me if indeed it would make sense to go there for surgery.

"I fully agree. They seem unable to choose what is the best way to suffer, cancer or heart attack.
How could so many countries blessed with good climate and plenty of natural resources offer so little to the population."

Part of it was being ripped off by the West European colonial powers, another part was the ineffective government leadership right after independence. Either way, it seems like finally many Latin American countries are climbing out of the nasty cycle of poverty. Chile, Colombia, and Peru are all having their golden eras right now
Re-warm nice places with drama. I know lol. Maybe all the heat makes people crazy. A good chunk of the year my city and country are on ice. You freeze for a good chunk of the year and maybe it calms you down a bit. It is seems pretty wasteful. It should be little global punishment that you cause drama anywhere warm you get automatic removal to the north or south pole ( aka the places a lot colder and colder for a lot longer then southern Canada).

From what I am thinking if a country has all this economic/political drama why do there to fit a nose while risking your life? We serious have people that do that stuff here well. I am not sure if I would be willing to save 90% off while risking my life ... so I am questioning if maybe it is not that bad for everyone. Ex beauty pageant and cosmetic surgeries are still going on so it sort of makes one wonder.
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Old 07-24-2017, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Seoul
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Re-warm nice places with drama. I know lol. Maybe all the heat makes people crazy. A good chunk of the year my city and country are on ice. You freeze for a good chunk of the year and maybe it calms you down a bit. It is seems pretty wasteful. It should be little global punishment that you cause drama anywhere warm you get automatic removal to the north or south pole ( aka the places a lot colder and colder for a lot longer then southern Canada).

From what I am thinking if a country has all this economic/political drama why do there to fit a nose while risking your life? We serious have people that do that stuff here well. I am not sure if I would be willing to save 90% off while risking my life ... so I am questioning if maybe it is not that bad for everyone. Ex beauty pageant and cosmetic surgeries are still going on so it sort of makes one wonder.
Well Caracas has a murder rate of like 150/100k people, which is really really really high, but it still means that in any given year you only have a .0015% chance of actually getting murdered. Chances are she won't have anything happen to her, altho I still would say going to Caracas is not a good idea. She might think that doing this in the US or Canada is too expensive, and it would make sense given the ridiculous healthcare costs in the US. Not sure why she wouldn't just travel to somewhere like Dominican Republic tho where its moderately safe at least
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Old 07-24-2017, 03:16 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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Well Caracas has a murder rate of like 150/100k people, which is really really really high, but it still means that in any given year you only have a .0015% chance of actually getting murdered. Chances are she won't have anything happen to her, altho I still would say going to Caracas is not a good idea. She might think that doing this in the US or Canada is too expensive, and it would make sense given the ridiculous healthcare costs in the US. Not sure why she wouldn't just travel to somewhere like Dominican Republic tho where its moderately safe at least
She is actually a he ! I think things turned out okay.... but still on one hand they make it seem like the country is running out of bandages. So why would you go somewhere that is lacking the basics to get something trival done and put yourself at risk.
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Old 07-24-2017, 06:05 PM
 
Location: London, UK
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From what I am thinking if a country has all this economic/political drama why do there to fit a nose while risking your life? We serious have people that do that stuff here well. I am not sure if I would be willing to save 90% off while risking my life ... so I am questioning if maybe it is not that bad for everyone. Ex beauty pageant and cosmetic surgeries are still going on so it sort of makes one wonder.
To be fair, even though the Venezuela's situation is dire, the risk of life is still minimal in a probability concept. Don't get me wrong it happens but if you keep yourself to yourself you can still eke out an interesting vacation there especially as the exchange rate is so favourable.

Day to day life is terrible by western standards but its not nuclear warfare or aerial bombing. People still go about their daily lives mainly living hand-to-mouth, with little opportunity for growth and getting relieved of their belongings every now and again BUT life goes on and there is still infrastructure for those who can pay for it, like private cosmetic surgeries.
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Old 07-24-2017, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Seoul
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To be fair, even though the Venezuela's situation is dire, the risk of life is still minimal in a probability concept. Don't get me wrong it happens but if you keep yourself to yourself you can still eke out an interesting vacation there especially as the exchange rate is so favourable.

Day to day life is terrible by western standards but its not nuclear warfare or aerial bombing. People still go about their daily lives mainly living hand-to-mouth, with little opportunity for growth and getting relieved of their belongings every now and again BUT life goes on and there is still infrastructure for those who can pay for it, like private cosmetic surgeries.
Yup, especially if you're rich you probably are not going to notice the dire recession
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Old 07-24-2017, 10:09 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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Regardless I am not going anywhere anytime soon and watched that tv show botched ... No plans to mess around with plastic surgery now. If it could kill Miss Bum Bum/ a beauty queen.... it could kill anyone.
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Old 07-25-2017, 03:19 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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How could so many countries blessed with good climate and plenty of natural resources offer so little to the population.
Well, having abundant natural resources and an economy narrowly based on extraction can often be a curse to a countries' long-term economic development. Because of the returns on investment in a boom sector like oil, it can draw away investment in other economic sectors (land, labor and capital) and growth. This phenomenon was and is called the "Dutch Disease" when the Netherlands experienced a decline in output in its other sectors when it experienced a boom in North Sea oil revenues. This is usually accompanied with an appreciation of its currency due to the inflows in foreign exchange earnings.

Nigeria used to be a major exporter of cash crops and could feed itself prior to the OPEC era. With the boom in the 1970s and the influx of petrodollars, Nigeria's agriculture industry stagnated.

Also, petrodollar revenues also became a means for successive governments (and I mean many governments) to buy off various groups in the polity. That becomes a problem when the revenues drop and the bills become due. This is basically what happened in Venezuela (and not just with Chavez - it's happened all along) along with the failure to diversify its economy from oil revs. Or conversely, various segments of the population will put political pressure on the government to do something with that petrodollar revenue stream.

Ideally petroleum producing countries will use that oil revenue and invest it for diversification of the economy, and put a portion of the money into a rainy day or sovereign investment fund for rainy days. Kuwait, Norway, and the UAE are some countries that do this. However, even having a sovereign wealth fund doesn't protect a government from overspending. And the fund can fluctuate in value with market conditions too. The UAE a few years ago got into trouble with some derelict projects in Dubai.

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Old 07-25-2017, 04:28 PM
 
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Allende supporters in Chile would say the same thing about how economic sabotage and political strangulation buried Allende's socialist dream. I mean internal documents released from the CIA show they helped "make the economy scream" according to Nixon's orders but this alone couldn't bring down Allende, not when he has support from other countries.

Same with Maduro. I'm sure Venezuela gets help from other countries too.

What I don't get is do socialists not expect people and markets to react to their reforms? They think stuff such as capital flight is counter revolutionary. They think other countries turning their back or refusing loans or downgrading their credit is all economic sabotage.

It's always the "gusanos" fault.
It's not necessarily socialism per se that is the main cause of Venezuela's woes. Bolivia's economy also is modeled after Venezuela's - and Morales was an ally of Chavez's. It's what they do with the money and how they manage it. Venezuela has badly mismanaged theirs (such as underinvesting in their oil refinery infrastructure and not maintaining it), while Bolivia was much more fiscally prudent. And Bolivia has performed a lot better economically and socially than Venezuela so far:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.baf760ff49b5
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Old 07-30-2017, 05:16 PM
 
Location: Somewhere flat in Mississippi
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There's an election being held in Venezuela.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.e832a843f804
Is the opposition hurting itself by boycotting the election?
Are there Venezuelans who hate Maduro but will support him because they hate the United States even more?
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Old 07-31-2017, 03:32 AM
 
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There's an election being held in Venezuela.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.e832a843f804
Is the opposition hurting itself by boycotting the election?
Are there Venezuelans who hate Maduro but will support him because they hate the United States even more?
Anyone who thinks along those lines is an imbecile. I would really hope people have more sense than that. Most of the country's problems are self-inflicted.
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