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View Poll Results: Which Latin American countries are Indigineous people most equal?
Mexico 1 6.67%
Peru 1 6.67%
Bolivia 7 46.67%
Guatemala 1 6.67%
Ecuador 3 20.00%
Other(Chile, El Salvador, etc.) 2 13.33%
Voters: 15. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-29-2017, 11:45 PM
 
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I doubt any of them are. Perhaps Bolivia, but then again in this video (not 10 years ago) the Bolivia's Indians faced a lot of discrimination and poverty.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Wj6yez66ws


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Ecuador and Peru, for starters. But in Ecuador, that respect and opportunities were hard-won. There are now Indigenous members of Congress, Native doctors, lawyers and schoolteachers, many public sector employees.
Guatemala? IDK; just because a genocidal war was overcome and some new laws passed regarding respect to Native people and increased opportunities for education, I doubt that public attitudes have changed much at all. The last time I was in Guatemala, which was in the 90's, after the war, college-educated Native people could only find work in non-profits created by Native people, pretty much. Maybe things have improved since then, but I wouldn't hold my breath on any great leap forward.

I know an Alaska Native woman who knew a Quechua guy from Peru who married an Alaska Native, and moved to the US. She said inn Peru, he had an architecture degree, and had good employment in his field. After moving to the US, he couldn't get a job in his field. No one would hire him, as if his degree were worthless, or something. He ended up with generic entry-level jobs unrelated to his field. He was not a happy camper, after discovering those were his only options.

Wow.

Same in Guatemala, there are Indigenous members of congress, native doctors, lawyers and a lot of the more rural municipals are ran by Indigenous people. But in Guatemala, like in all Latin American countries, Indigenous people still face a lot of inequalities. Unless there is some sort of revolution or Indigenous retakeover, I don't think Indigenous people (and their culture) would ever really be treated as equal by the non-Indigenous.

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Old 09-30-2017, 10:03 PM
 
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The indigenous culture is really the dominant culture in Peru and it is alive and well and becoming stronger in S. America. The traditional music, food, language and the racial features can not be hidden in Peru.

Peruvian kids learn the indigenous music and dance at an early age.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5MrCXjxEDE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uRyvY6HgbU
North Eastern Argentina is heavily influenced by indigenous culture.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcgmGhU2wyA
Chileans dancing their traditional music.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0hnhPLAPW0
Argentinians singing a very indigenous song.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cy1ZbHKCA2c

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Old 10-01-2017, 12:05 PM
 
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How did the US or Western nations produce companies from within? It wasn't from outside knowledge.

A lot of companies that are now big companies in the West were founded by people who didn't necessarily have high school degrees!

I'm thinking of the old school industrials like AT&T, IBM, General Electric, oil companies. Of course they now have well educated people running them and they hire people from all around the worl,

But it doesn't take being a rocket scientist to start a successful company! Bill Gates has no college degree, yet he is extremely successful.
The US received millions of immigrants, most of them Europeans with a capitalistic mentality. The US was seen as the land of freedom, where you could success with your own work and there were the conditions for entrepeneurism. Bolivia is a fairly rural, indigenous country. If they want to succeed in a capitalist, global economy, they need to open their country to outside knowledge. Unless they want something else.

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You start off with small companies like restaurants or maybe mining, and then these companies grow.
So what are the big Bolivian companies now? it has been over a decade of a socialist government in Bolivia and the country only keeps afloat because of gas and mineral prices (which Brazil and other countries still need and buy).

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Investment helps if it is the right type of investment. Investing in education or technology or infrastructure is good, but most . Bolivia does not need any investments from Judas. They dont give a **** about the Bolivian people, they just want a place where they can get away with paying people $1 an hour
most Bolivians already make $1 an hour or less (even much less) and the only way they could earn more is by creating wealth. And do you think capital wealth comes from nowhere? obviously not, wealth and money is created by investing. "Poverty", "wealth", "development" are capitalistic concepts. Unless the Bolivian people have other concept of what "progress" is, the only way to develop a country, create wealth and reduce poverty, is playing by the rules of the modern, global economy.

if there weren't foreign companies and investments in many countries, the people there wouldn't even make 1$ and hour, they wouldn't make anything and would have to go back to more "traditional" ways of living. People in countries like Indonesia make their own choice to leave their rural, non capitalistic lifestyles, to search for jobs in the cities, working for foreign companies. Because they perceive (rightfully or wrong) that they can improve their lifes in such manner. And it's their country's duty to make laws to protect their workers and enforce them.

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Because South American countries could never develop their own companies, right? LatAm? Obviously an American company! Avianca? As American as apple pie. Ripley? Wong? Saga Falabella? Itau? SKY Airlines? Magazine Luiza? Wayra? BCP? Vivanda? Corporacion Lindley? Juan Valdez? Altomayo? Caracol? Plaza Vea? Minsur? LCP? Alicorp? Postobon? ContaAzul? All of these are clearly United States companies, and are an example that South America is a peasant continent full of poor uneducated people who could never have the innovation to do something for their own country. Geez, if only a South American country could develop a company as successful as Avianca or Ripley!
pretty much all of these companies come from bussiness friendly, open economy countries.

Chilean "multilatinas" and multinational companies are so succesful because Chile is an strong, free market with the most free trade agreements, strong exports and friendly bussiness environment. Peru too. Bolivia is the opposite of that.

What are the strong companies from Ecuador, Bolivia, Nicaragua, Cuba?
 
Old 10-01-2017, 05:26 PM
 
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Same in Guatemala, there are Indigenous members of congress, native doctors, lawyers and a lot of the more rural municipals are ran by Indigenous people. But in Guatemala, like in all Latin American countries, Indigenous people still face a lot of inequalities. Unless there is some sort of revolution or Indigenous retakeover, I don't think Indigenous people (and their culture) would ever really be treated as equal by the non-Indigenous.

That may be true but they are still way under represented in all those professions and high levels of government. Considering they make up the majority in Guatemala it is not really note worthy that they run certain municipalities. The indigenous people will never have a revolution any time soon. They were forced into the last one, not much organization on their part. They are divided in many ways. So many Languages and dialects in a small area. They are divided over religion and politics too. Indigenous Guatemalans have a very long way to go before they form any kind of political movement like in Bolivia. We probably won't see it on our lives.
 
Old 10-01-2017, 06:15 PM
 
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So what are the big Bolivian companies now? it has been over a decade of a socialist government in Bolivia and the country only keeps afloat because of gas and mineral prices (which Brazil and other countries still need and buy).

most Bolivians already make $1 an hour or less (even much less) and the only way they could earn more is by creating wealth. And do you think capital wealth comes from nowhere? obviously not, wealth and money is created by investing. "Poverty", "wealth", "development" are capitalistic concepts. Unless the Bolivian people have other concept of what "progress" is, the only way to develop a country, create wealth and reduce poverty, is playing by the rules of the modern, global economy.

What are the strong companies from Ecuador, Bolivia, Nicaragua, Cuba?

Bolivia has finally stabilized its economy with an average 4.5% growth year after year for the past decade. It's political reforms have also help stabilized the social issues that have plagued it for decades. The government is stable compared to what it was for years when inept presidents were kicked out yearly.
Many Asian countries and the Banco de Ineramericano de Desarrollo (BID) are lending Bolivia billions now that the country has been proven to be stable.

2011 BID approved US$252,8 millones para Bolivia, US$6,283 millones en 2010, Last few years, Transporte got (US$214,9 millones),modernización del estado (US$198,4 millones), energía (US$195,8 millones.
BID - El BID en Bolivia - Banco Interamericano de Desarrollo

First part of 2016 China loaned 7.5 billion to develop the Amazonian region.
Bolivia y China agilizan crédito asiático de $us 7.500 millones | Diario Correo del Sur: Noticias de Sucre, Bolivia y el Mundo

This year China lent 7 Billion to Bolivia for trains and energy.
China aprueba crédito de US$ 7.000 millones para obras en Bolivia - Noticias - Negocios - Últimas noticias de Uruguay y el Mundo actualizadas - Diario EL PAIS Uruguay

This the tip of the iceberg as to the vast amount of money Bolivia is being showered with.
 
Old 10-02-2017, 01:43 AM
 
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That may be true but they are still way under represented in all those professions and high levels of government. Considering they make up the majority in Guatemala it is not really note worthy that they run certain municipalities. The indigenous people will never have a revolution any time soon. They were forced into the last one, not much organization on their part. They are divided in many ways. So many Languages and dialects in a small area. They are divided over religion and politics too. Indigenous Guatemalans have a very long way to go before they form any kind of political movement like in Bolivia. We probably won't see it on our lives.
What part of Guatemala are you from? Do you happen to be Indigenous?



Anyways, I agree with you that there are some divisions due to politics and religion. But in the past decade, there has grown a lot of unity between different ethnic/linguist groups. My family is from one of the most linguistically diverse region of Guatemala. During my parents youth years, the different ethnic groups were really disunited, and sometime there was strong prejudice between the different groups. But nowadays, a lot of that has changed. When one community is facing a big issue, the other communities (different linguist groups) will come to the aid and support in the thousands. They unite, organize and coordinate their plans and movements, there may be many different languages but that's not really a problem since most people are multilingual in these regions. Not long ago, the communities united and got rid of an encroaching multinational company, at the same time kicking the Guatemalan government out for a few days.
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