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Legalizing alcohol didn't eliminate murder on the roads, quite the opposite is true.
Legalizing hard drugs would just increase the carnage. If you guys don't get it, let it be.
Making alcohol illegal did not increase safety at all. If people want to do something, they will find ways to do it. Clearly.
Most drugs in the US are domestically produced. Marijuana, crystal meth, opiates (from the prescription painkillers) etc.
Also everyone does some kind of drug . Drink coffee or strong tea to wake you up in the morning? That's caffeine is a stimulant chemically similarly to cocaine.
Aspirin is a painkiller people take to get rid of painkilling symptoms. And so on.
You're not even making arguments based on science or facts, you're trying to come up with hysterical emotional scare tactics which just don't work.
Making alcohol illegal did not increase safety at all. If people want to do something, they will find ways to do it. Clearly.
Most drugs in the US are domestically produced. Marijuana, crystal meth, opiates (from the prescription painkillers) etc.
Also everyone does some kind of drug . Drink coffee or strong tea to wake you up in the morning? That's caffeine is a stimulant chemically similarly to cocaine.
Aspirin is a painkiller people take to get rid of painkilling symptoms. And so on.
You're not even making arguments based on science or facts, you're trying to come up with hysterical emotional scare tactics which just don't work.
That is kind of a loose argument. We all need to do something keep us going.
I agree making things harder to get ex illegal does often drive up the price making it more profitable.
It will be interesting to see how making Marijuana legal is going to effect drug use in my city. It will be funny to see how they evolve in to making that a less desirable habit ex starting to put pictures on the packages that warn people of the risks and drive the price through the roof plus taxing the heck out of it.
I think a lot of the temptation towards drug is the label of being counter culture. Ex making it look cool because you are breaking the rules. In my city very they were really really good at eventually re-branding smokers to the point that smokers actually no longer have the "counter culture label" rather the lower class and uneducated vibe". Now cool means in to working out, eating organic and smoking pot lol". In Toronto smoking cigarettes in pubic is less socially acceptably then smoking pot. So the propaganda really does work !
Comparing coffee to a drug is a nice try though. The difference between certain addictions in the long term effects. Less likely to cause harm to oneself or others under the effect of a cup of coffee. It is the difference between a light shock or being electrocuted.
Making drugs legal actually has a good chance of rebranding drug users are mentally unstable losers.... which kills the cool/ counter culture factor and makes users look like cautionary tales vs. rock star want-a-be's.
The difference between .....
vs.
Or the classic before and after shots
If use and profit of selling cocaine is higher outside of Colombia ...then in Colombia ... then why should they stop? If other countries can't figure out a strategic marketing plan to aggressive re-band the image of drug use there are 2 reasons the people that truly have the power in the country will be loosing money so it is not in their best interest to deal with the problem.
So for example if the production of Cocaine is really only having a major problem on the health and well being of people outside of Colombia why should Colombians really care?
If governments REALLY want to make changes they would. When they don't take aggressive action to do something that is in the best interest of the average person it is likely the people with the most influence are profiting off the suffering or bad choices of the average person.
Sorry to pull this train of thought directly back to the title of this thread. If the government let these groups remain around it is likely because efforts needed to remove them out weigh the benefits of letting them kick around. When you get closer to the top you can see all the pieces in play and choose your actions accordingly.
For example if a country is run my primarily the upper class so live in certain parts of the country and problematic groups are causing the most negative impact to parts of a country that are of least interest or benefit to the upper class then governments may act like they care for public image ... but really don't care too much as in the bigger picture it is not the highest priority because their kids are still sleeping sound at night and it is not happening in their backyard. That is my general theory on the topic.
That is kind of a loose argument. We all need to do something keep us going.
I agree making things harder to get ex illegal does often drive up the price making it more profitable.
It will be interesting to see how making Marijuana legal is going to effect drug use in my city. It will be funny to see how they evolve in to making that a less desirable habit ex starting to put pictures on the packages that warn people of the risks and drive the price through the roof plus taxing the heck out of it.
I think a lot of the temptation towards drug is the label of being counter culture. Ex making it look cool because you are breaking the rules. In my city very they were really really good at eventually re-branding smokers to the point that smokers actually no longer have the "counter culture label" rather the lower class and uneducated vibe". Now cool means in to working out, eating organic and smoking pot lol". In Toronto smoking cigarettes in pubic is less socially acceptably then smoking pot. So the propaganda really does work !
Comparing coffee to a drug is a nice try though. The difference between certain addictions in the long term effects. Less likely to cause harm to oneself or others under the effect of a cup of coffee. It is the difference between a light shock or being electrocuted.
Making drugs legal actually has a good chance of rebranding drug users are mentally unstable losers.... which kills the cool/ counter culture factor and makes users look like cautionary tales vs. rock star want-a-be's.
The difference between .....
vs.
Or the classic before and after shots
If use and profit of selling cocaine is higher outside of Colombia ...then in Colombia ... then why should they stop? If other countries can't figure out a strategic marketing plan to aggressive re-band the image of drug use there are 2 reasons the people that truly have the power in the country will be loosing money so it is not in their best interest to deal with the problem.
So for example if the production of Cocaine is really only having a major problem on the health and well being of people outside of Colombia why should Colombians really care?
If governments REALLY want to make changes they would. When they don't take aggressive action to do something that is in the best interest of the average person it is likely the people with the most influence are profiting off the suffering or bad choices of the average person.
Sorry to pull this train of thought directly back to the title of this thread. If the government let these groups remain around it is likely because efforts needed to remove them out weigh the benefits of letting them kick around. When you get closer to the top you can see all the pieces in play and choose your actions accordingly.
For example if a country is run my primarily the upper class so live in certain parts of the country and problematic groups are causing the most negative impact to parts of a country that are of least interest or benefit to the upper class then governments may act like they care for public image ... but really don't care too much as in the bigger picture it is not the highest priority because their kids are still sleeping sound at night and it is not happening in their backyard. That is my general theory on the topic.
You made good points by making drugs illegal you make it cool to do drugs as counter culture. South Americans have been growing as using coca for thousands of years. Not only will they not stop, it is legal to grow coca in the Spanish parts of South America. They chew the leaves, drink the tea, make edibles, make coca alcoholic beverages, etc. and if course make powdered cocaine. It brings a lot of money into those nations. And it's a historic part of their culture. Coca leaves are used as a stimulant for work, as a painkiller, to treat altitude sickness, among other medical and spiritual uses.
And yes at this point the US does not seriously care either. It's known politically the war on drugs has failed and even Trump emphasizes treatment.
You made good points by making drugs illegal you make it cool to do drugs as counter culture. South Americans have been growing as using coca for thousands of years. Not only will they not stop, it is legal to grow coca in the Spanish parts of South America. They chew the leaves, drink the tea, make edibles, make coca alcoholic beverages, etc. and if course make powdered cocaine. It brings a lot of money into those nations. And it's a historic part of their culture. Coca leaves are used as a stimulant for work, as a painkiller, to treat altitude sickness, among other medical and spiritual uses.
And yes at this point the US does not seriously care either. It's known politically the war on drugs has failed and even Trump emphasizes treatment.
I ranted on about this in the Canadian section of the forum but I will try and drive this reality home again on this section of the forum too.
People that use drugs or consider using drugs need to realizes those with power unless they personally know you don't care what happens to you. They are making crazy amounts of money off of your reckless stupidity.
If people are making loads of money getting getting your sick it is your problem for being stupid not theirs.
The same people who have shares in the drug trade likely have shares in the in the treatment facilities and connections with policy makers to help ensure that government efforts to deal with the issues are all talk and little action.
The solution is people need to be accountable for their actions.
I ranted on about this in the Canadian section of the forum but I will try and drive this reality home again on this section of the forum too.
People that use drugs or consider using drugs need to realizes those with power unless they personally know you don't care what happens to you. They are making crazy amounts of money off of your reckless stupidity.
If people are making loads of money getting getting your sick it is your problem for being stupid not theirs.
The same people who have shares in the drug trade likely have shares in the in the treatment facilities and connections with policy makers to help ensure that government efforts to deal with the issues are all talk and little action.
The solution is people need to be accountable for their actions.
Survival is for the fitist.
People who use drugs care about what the drugs do for them, they aren't concerned about the producers either. This is true of all drugs, including alcohol and caffeine. People will live their lives as they see fit.
And yes, I have known a person who owned a series of nightclubs and hotels (full of drugs) who also owned a rehab. It should be known that producers and dealers are generally users as well. This is even true of alcohol and caffeine.
Portugal, where all drugs are decriminalized, has the overdose rate in Europe. Partially because they put the resources into treatment. But partially when drugs are easily available it's not such a big deal to use them. In Southern Surope you can get Wine even at a convenience store. That doesn't mean most people are raving alcoholics. When something is so readily available it's not a big deal. The more you tell people not to do something, the more they will do it.
A lot of people in the mental health field will now say marijuana is good for anxiety and there are studies to back this up. It and other "drug" are often less dangerous than prescription drugs for mental and physical illness.
A lot of people in the mental health field will now say marijuana is good for anxiety and there are studies to back this up. It and other "drug" are often less dangerous than prescription drugs for mental and physical illness.
Lol. I'll wager that marijuana causes as much anxiety as it treats. In fact I stopped using it because it became so much more potent and caused me to have panic attacks.
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